Let's give a big thank you to Gina Miller Watch
We voted to leave in a democratic vote and you are praising a woman who has been pulling out all the stops to prevent the result of that vote being delivered. The EU is a completely unpatriotic organisation and young people don't seem to understand this. Forget the economics and everything else for a minute and just remember one thing, above all else, we are a nation. If you are a member of the European Union, you surrender many of the faculties that constitute being a nation and that's what we voted to take back. Trade deals are 100% the way to go but the EU has unfortunately gone beyond that in attempting to create a political union, something the British people never asked for. We can be friends and trading partners with European countries but we will do this as a nation, not a satellite of this mutated and failed political project.
There is no evidence that it has failed, but it has changed and that is a valid point. The referendum did not on the whole discuss those changes properly, or present them fairly and objectively.
Nation states are in decline everywhere, they are already largely superceded by global corporations, global organisations and global and regional issues and demands. It's clear that now, lapsing back into petty nationalism is a pointless and self-harming way to proceed.
Lol lets refocus, you made an incorrect statement, so I pointed out two prorogations in our past which proved you're statement wrong and you're response, you call it irrelevant nonsense? Then create a stawman about what i think, you think and get that wrong too. I don't care who you vote for or what you think of John Majors Majors prorogation! The facts are you claimed this had never happened, i proved it has and that's not irrelevant nonsense just because you dont hold the knowledge too debate it.
No one is claiming that there have never been previous prorogations, or that other prorogations have never been used for party political expediency. Who knows, if someone had felt the need to challenge them in the courts, those prorogations might have also been overturned.
The point is that this one was clearly an undemocratic attempt to stifle parliament's ability to examine and challenge legislation. The supreme court unanimously ruled that it was unlawful. Really not sure what your argument is or where it is supposed to be going
And any case can "set a precedent" That's how "legal precedent" works - the clue's kinda in the name.
No that's not what I'm saying at all, you are blowing up my words out of all proportion.
It's your confused and contradictory words that are the problem, not other people showing them to be utter nonsense.
"I should not be tried for these murders, your honour, as other murderers have got away with it in the past". Gotta love your "logic"!
Brexiteers who allegedly wanted to return powers to Britain showing their true spots in this saga, accusing the UK supreme court of various things and demanding that the government rule as a dictatorship. It would seem that the claim that Brexit was about solid British values and returning power to our constitution was so much humbug. Brexit is about racism and xenophobia and activating the powers of an extremely right wing oligarchy and nothing whatever to do with our traditions.
In a nutshell.
You get very uptight and defensive when you start too loose the debate, don't you
They are relevant, if the government used them in defence or not is besides the point. The point was johnson has he's done nothing that's not been done in the past. Should other prorogations of undergone this type of scrutiny then many historic prorogations would have been overturned. Which is the point I started from before you led me on a wild goose chase to make a incorrect point.
However, if you are now using the EU election as the yardstick of public opinion, No Deal (Brexit Party) is in the minority. Therefore parliament is right to block it, because it is not The Will Of The People™.
The Euro currency has been a complete failure, anyone with even a basic understanding of economics will understand this. Having rich and poor countries with different economies all within the same currency is a complete disaster.
The referendum did not present the facts properly, both sides are guilty of this. The bottom line is though, we are an incredibly powerful nation and we will do just fine outside of the EU, the scaremongering in the media would make many believe otherwise though. The people of this nation are incredibly proud of their identity and will never support being absorbed into a European superstate. We can be the best of friends with Europe, just as we are with the US and many other countries in the world, but this should be conducted as a nation, not a multinational organisation that has no accountability and was never put before the people.
As for Gina Miller, had the coin been flipped and remain won, any leave figure who was doing what she is now would be branded a far right extremist and the media would give them no legitimacy whatsoever. The hypocrisy of the left and some members of the remain camp is unbelievable, they sing the song of referendums and democracy until it works against them, now we have a woman who is trying to overturn a democratic referendum who is being hailed as a hero. Smh
the EU has significantly moved its red lines in 9nly a few weeks thanks to his hardline stance and no deal preparations.
You obviously don't realise that the WA was voted down by Johnson, Mogg and other Brexiteers. If every MP who wanted to leave the EU had voted for the WA, we would have left in March.
You really should learn at least the basics of what's going on.
And your assertion that people who voted to leave are 'elderly, racist idiots' just shows the absurdity of your argument. Throwing labels around doesn't add credibility to your argument, it actually does the opposite. Identifying with your nation over a political project that was formed behind closed doors does not make you racist, in fact I hope for all of Europe's sake that the EU crumbles and we can build a new Europe of trade and co-operation without this unwanted political project.
A vote against the EU is not anti European. In fact, anti EU sentiment is brewing right across the continent, not just in the UK. Sometimes you have to take big risks to achieve big results, leaving the EU is a fantastic opportunity to pursue a global future and not have our decisions made for us in Brussels. It is possible to co-operate and trade with countries without projects such as the EU, just look at just about every other part of the world, they seem to manage just fine.