Democratic Party begin impeachment inquiry against Trump Watch

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927

Following allegations that Trump used diplomatic procedures to dig up dirt on democrat primary candidate Joe Biden.

Do you believe the allegations? Do the democrats have any chance of not getting blocked by the republican members of the house?
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The Democratic party are in big trouble, this is the new radical wing pushing the hierarchy into the extremes. The genie is out of the bottle and the Squad and all the rest are determined to get rid of Pelosi and the old order, AOC had a tweet over the weekend calling the party's inaction a 'national scandal'. None of this has any real value, it's internal posturing and positioning by two factions and ends up having nothing to do with Trump at all. The young generation of Democrats is out to push the old out of the way and Pelosi is just trying to hang on as best as best as she can. Trump isn't going to be impeached over anything, we've been here before more times than we could count. For internal consumption by the lefties only.
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The BBC do a fairly good job at burying the full facts in order to fulfill their political agenda, nobody will have the foggiest idea of what it's all about by reading their link. That's the idea, you're only supposed to know Trump is no good. And then people go on about Fox, at least they make no bones about their political leanings but the BBC types like to pretend they are above all that. Here, compare them with Fox to see which one is more informative:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pete...ssential-facts
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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927

Following allegations that Trump used diplomatic procedures to dig up dirt on democrat primary candidate Joe Biden.

Do you believe the allegations? Do the democrats have any chance of not getting blocked by the republican members of the house?
Quite possibly, its something he'd do but then again hes a loathsome "human".
As for getting blocked? Of course. Hes turned the party hard right and they follow him implicitly and due to needing a majority of some description i doubt this will come to anything. Then again that might possibly be for the best. Better to wait until hes out of office and throw the book at him instead of take the very real risk of his neo nazi and crack pot followers tsaking their guns out. then again hes fallen foul of the gun lobby now :lol:
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The BBC do a fairly good job at burying the full facts in order to fulfill their political agenda,

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pete...ssential-facts
Unlike fox who dont present any facts what so ever and have an extreme political bias... Its the worst kind of propaganda outlet and makes PressTV look like a gem.
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Unlike fox who dont present any facts what so ever and have an extreme political bias... Its the worst kind of propaganda outlet and makes PressTV look like a gem.
Examples, please! Of course they are hated by the lefties, spending 24/7 calling out their propaganda to good effect.
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Examples, please! Of course they are hated by the lefties, spending 24/7 calling out their propaganda to good effect.
Examples of their extreme political bias? If you dont know that youve clearly never watched it. As for their being a propaganda outlet i suggest you google the definition and see for yourself.
Not sure lefties, as you call them, are relevant here. Simply anyone who believes in honest reporting and with nothing but a bunch of perverts and racist on stuff...
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If the Dems can navigate these proceedings with skill (and one would hope so if they being led by Pelosi), then this could be a win for them. All of Trump's scandals can be rehashed, right before the election year, force moderate Republicans in swing seats into defending an evidently guilty man, and distract from Trump's economic talking points. Lets be realistic here, Donald Trump is not going to be impeached, not with this Senate, but these proceedings can put him and his party on the defensive and improve the chances of a Democratic win next year. Not to mention it distracts from the miserable specter of Democrats slinging mud at each other in the primary.
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If you believe anything will come of this then you need serious help. How many times do we have to hear the continuous ramblings about impeachment? You lost 2016, and you'll lose 2020.
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My understanding of what needs to happen for it to succeed are such that it will fail. Though the allegations will be repeated often enough and could harm the re-election bid of Donald Trump.

I only wish we could impeach Mr Johnson, as he is not a Conservative in his behaviour, but a disgrace and unfit for public office.
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It's the same thing on both sides of the pond: election/referendum takes place, losing faction refuse to accept the result and set out from day one to frustrate it at any cost like never seen before. It happens on both sides because there are people like that in every country.
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As for getting blocked? Of course. Hes turned the party hard right and they follow him implicitly
And there in lies the issue. Baring the most stubborn refusal to face facts, there's no argument he's run America like a mafia boss and is unfit for office, but impeachment needs a 2/3rds majority, and it's unlikely that the republicans will support it, they've already thrown themselves behind this criminal in chief at the expense of all normal process and decency by denying Obama his Supreme Court nomination
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And there in lies the issue. Baring the most stubborn refusal to face facts, there's no argument he's run America like a mafia boss and is unfit for office, but impeachment needs a 2/3rds majority, and it's unlikely that the republicans will support it, they've already thrown themselves behind this criminal in chief at the expense of all normal process and decency by denying Obama his Supreme Court nomination
Couldnt have put it better myself.
I mean it would be almost comical if this wasnt ongoing in the titular head of the 'free democratic' world. This is the kind of clap trap youd expect in some tin pot dictatorship... although with that being said i guess he is a tin pot president so there we go.
I think the saddest thing though is that, at present the Democrats have absolutely no credible answer to him... or too many depending on your view but either way it reaches the same conclusion.
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It's the same thing on both sides of the pond: election/referendum takes place, losing faction refuse to accept the result and set out from day one to frustrate it at any cost like never seen before. It happens on both sides because there are people like that in every country.
You do know trump lost the popular vote right...?
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You do know trump lost the popular vote right...?
Oh yes, everybody knows that. He did lose the popular vote alright.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4


At 1.35, Biden says he made the Ukrainian prosecutor resign. What he doesn't mention is that there was an investigation over a business where his son, who had been expelled from the Navy on cocaine charges and without any visible connection to the world of business, was involved. It's mafia land and lots of people have links to that murky world, Trump is heard to ask the President if he can look into what went on. That's it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4


At 1.35, Biden says he made the Ukrainian prosecutor resign. What he doesn't mention is that there was an investigation over a business where his son, who had been expelled from the Navy on cocaine charges and without any visible connection to the world of business, was involved.
Biden has been boasting about his efforts as part of the Obama admin to oust the corrupt prosecutor for doing exactly what he would want him to do (not prosecute corruption) if he and his son had anything to hide.

It's mafia land and lots of people have links to that murky world, Trump is heard to ask the President if he can look into what went on. That's it.
That's it? Trump is asking for dirt on his political opponent as a "favour" in exchange for providing military aid that America already promised Ukraine eons ago and which Trump had frozen days prior to this call.
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If you believe anything will come of this then you need serious help. How many times do we have to hear the continuous ramblings about impeachment? You lost 2016, and you'll lose 2020.
You really need to grow up and develop a better understanding of politics beyond your simplistic right is good left is bad. This isn't about winning or losing. This is about whether a president adused his position of power, an allegation supported by the White House's own transcript.
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That's it? Trump is asking for dirt on his political opponent as a "favour" in exchange for providing military aid that America already promised Ukraine eons ago and which Trump had frozen days prior to this call.
Asking for 'dirt' in public, with a lot of people listening in. I think he would have asked for it in a more covert way this meant anything, he has been subjected to two years of Russian Collusion hoax with associates dragged out of bed and offices ransacked for nothing, he may be sore at that. The Democrats paid a foreign agent to make up some muck they could use against him, lots of international lies in there.

It's one of those where people who would like to see him impeached for breathing will make a big fuss, his supporters won't and nobody else cares. Lots of dynamics in the Democratic party, their radical wing wants to see Trump out but Biden too. Trump actually fancies him as an opponent.
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Asking for 'dirt' in public, with a lot of people listening in. I think he would have asked for it in a more covert way this meant anything, he has been subjected to two years of Russian Collusion hoax with associates dragged out of bed and offices ransacked for nothing, he may be sore at that. The Democrats paid a foreign agent to make up some muck they could use against him, lots of international lies in there.

It's one of those where people who would like to see him impeached for breathing will make a big fuss, his supporters won't and nobody else cares. Lots of dynamics in the Democratic party, their radical wing wants to see Trump out but Biden too. Trump actually fancies him as an opponent.
You've just answered your own question. Trump didn't say it in a more covert way because the Democrats didn't move towards impeachment after his previous scandal, and he doesn't believe his supporters will care what he does, so he figures he'll just get away with anything, why bother trying to make it hugely covert?
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Oh yes, everybody knows that. He did lose the popular vote alright.

thus according to this rather dole concept of democracy he is an illegitimate president. Never mind the fact he cant even speak basic English...
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