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    (Original post by magiccarpet)
    maybe ugly peopple percieved to be intelligent cos of fat/ugly stereotype
    i could see how that would work.. wnet i went a huge 6th form - there were lots of 'intelligent'/nerdy looking people.. who gave this aura of hardwork & intelligence & i always got the impression they somewhat looked at me with contempt.. yes.. female, blonde, i like wearing pink.. hence i must be entirely stupid..

    but their exam results never seemed to correlate with the impression they gave.

    & i have no problems with people initially thinking i'm merely an unthreatening woman or that it must be 'brookes' that i go to..ahem.
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    no they mean generally beautiful eg who thinks brad pitt is actually ugly?or britney?
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    (Original post by alkaeda)
    delta goodrem has an IQ of 134
    so do i.

    doesnt make me intelligent or good looking...
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    139 but im not ugly.

    actualy, IQ isnt that accurate tho.
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    (Original post by Will)
    Not true - at my public school, some of the ones who do best are good-looking. Some people have said I am, but I beg to disagree.
    I'd have to agree with them.
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    the person who started this thread is either dumb or ugly

    (Original post by Elles)
    i think using ICL as an example might bring in another element to the discussion though.. in that it's purely science..

    so, are artists or scientists better looking? i shall hedge my bets as a 'psuedo-scientist'..

    & i can see the argument with genes..
    maybe something like less physically attractive people work harder to compensate in other ways, including academically & thus come into contact with others doing the same & reproduce?
    most medical students ive seen are enough to put me off

    some of the biology gurlz are nice tho
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    I'm one of the school 'swots' and I would say that if I'm ugly it's because I make no effort whatsoever. Not fat though. In fact I'd like to put on a bit of weight because I have no arse no speak of.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    But there are some attractive students in Oxford University...
    only some?
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    (Original post by elpaw)
    only some?
    Perhaps an incorrect word to use. I am not at Oxford University so I cannot comment on a place I've never been to. My point was that academic ability and attractiveness are in no way related, which was settled ages ago.
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    There are the effects of genes. I.e. 'good' genes produce more beautiful and more intelligent people. The first part is quite untrue, but suffice it to say it confers less ugliness (as associated with flaws and disabilities).

    There is the effect of society. Less beautiful people are more likely to be mocked/ridiculed, resulting in a reduced self-esteem and subsequent withdrawal from social activities. If their energies become diverted to academic pursuits, they have a greater academic potential than their more beautiful counterparts who are burdened with the multitude of social distractions that constitute the stereotyped human experience.

    These effects compete, and depending on the circumstance, one or the other may appear to prevail. So, perhaps in the more extreme of academic circles where a supreme, detailed understanding of one's minute field of interest is fundamental to success, you will be more likely to find the low self-esteemed, less beautiful people in the majority. However, in the more neutral grounds of mild academic pursuit, where the social dimension is as (or indeed more) important as the academic, as is the case in most university undergraduate courses, the beautiful people prevail by virtue of their diverse range of interests and the strong emphasis on socialisation.
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    (Original post by sloaney87)
    Looking around school, people in the further maths groups, or physics, or just generally the people who do well in their public exams, usually are ugly and even fat.
    Isn't this all a bit of an insult to attractive people? You are saying that if someone is good looking, they must be thick as ****.

    Additionally, I think you'll find there is a genuine positive statistical correlation between low IQ and obesity...
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    (Original post by Do Chickens Fly)
    There are the effects of genes. I.e. 'good' genes produce more beautiful and more intelligent people.
    Beautiful parents do not necessarily produce beautiful offspring; intelligent parents do not necessarily produce clever kids - if they do, it's as likely to be due to their environment as to their genetic heritage.
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    It's what I like to call the Quantitative Theory of Character Componency - ie. there can only be a constant amount of positive dispositional traits in one person. A palliation of one trait will result in an upsurge of another. Therefore, one can not be beautiful and intelligent. One can be average in both areas- that will balance, but in order to excel at one, the other must suffer to retain constancy. It's all common sense.
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    So, given the choice, would you rather be perfectly beautiful and thick or perfectly intelligent and ugly?
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    (Original post by sloaney87)
    By intelligent i mean doing well in school/ a-levels and gcses. (Although some people maybe not agree that this shows intelligence)

    Looking around school, people in the further maths groups, or physics, or just generally the people who do well in their public exams, usually are ugly and even fat.

    Maybe its to do with the fact that..someone better looking would have more of a social life, thus spend more time studying?

    Im not saying i agree but

    Discuss.

    You have your conditional probabilities wrong. Say 50% of the population has better looks than the average (rather obvious is it not) and similarily for inteligence. Then only 25% will have both good looks and high inteligence. HOWEVR, if you remove all non-inteligent people you also remove those non inteligent people that are ugly, and so the proportion of good looking people among the inteligent people is 50%, same as in the general population (Btw, Im six feet tall and 65kg so Im certainly not fat...).
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    i know what you mean. These are the qualities i look for in a girl and i must say they are hard to find.
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    (Original post by spk)
    So, given the choice, would you rather be perfectly beautiful and thick or perfectly intelligent and ugly?
    Well, I'm already the latter and I'm quite happy.
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    (Original post by sloaney87)
    By intelligent i mean doing well in school/ a-levels and gcses. (Although some people maybe not agree that this shows intelligence)

    Looking around school, people in the further maths groups, or physics, or just generally the people who do well in their public exams, usually are ugly and even fat.

    Maybe its to do with the fact that..someone better looking would have more of a social life, thus spend more time studying?

    Im not saying i agree but

    Discuss.
    Wait till you get to university. Blows that theory out of the water.
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    I'm too tired and ill to read this entire thread, so maybe this has already been said...

    There was an article in Discover magazine on the correlation between looks and intellect, and they found that attractive people tend to be more intelligent. They attribute this to the idea that intelligence is partially genetic, as are looks. Assuming that smart people are more successful, they are able to attract better quality spouses, and their progeny inherit these gifts.
 
 
 
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