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Sending my wishes to all Chinese comrades as they celebrate 70 years since the victory of the Chinese Revolution. The future is yours. Your country will soon overtake the US as the world's largest economy, and your military might is increasing by the day. The PRC is an example that socialism can be successful - regardless of your opinion, China has lifted 800 million plsu people out of poverty ,which is more than can be said for any western capitalist country. Victory to the Chinese people!
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Sending my wishes to all Chinese comrades as they celebrate 70 years since the victory of the Chinese Revolution. The future is yours. Your country will soon overtake the US as the world's largest economy, and your military might is increasing by the day. The PRC is an example that socialism can be successful - regardless of your opinion, China has lifted 800 million plsu people out of poverty ,which is more than can be said for any western capitalist country. Victory to the Chinese people!
Are you Chinese?
Why are you in the capitalist west? presumably you are going back?
China has lifted 800 million plsu people out of poverty ,which is more than can be said for any western capitalist country. Victory to the Chinese people!

How many western capitalist countries have there ever been with 800m people in poverty?
How many people died?
Wasnt it capitalism that formed the basis of their economic prosperity?

Glory to the Chinese people.
Down with the imperialist west.
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I'm as socialist as they come but I would not use china as an example of a country we should be aiming towards.

Democracy is everything, I'd rather live in a right wing capitalist democracy than a communist dictatorship.
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I'm as socialist as they come but I would not use china as an example of a country we should be aiming towards.

Democracy is everything, I'd rather live in a right wing capitalist democracy than a communist dictatorship.
I think economically we should aim to be like them, particuarly in Britain. A hybrid system would be very effective.

I don't support their human rights abuses and mass surveillance though.
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Are you Chinese?
Why are you in the capitalist west? presumably you are going back?
China has lifted 800 million plsu people out of poverty ,which is more than can be said for any western capitalist country. Victory to the Chinese people!

How many western capitalist countries have there ever been with 800m people in poverty?
How many people died?
Wasnt it capitalism that formed the basis of their economic prosperity?

Glory to the Chinese people.
Down with the imperialist west.
Look at neighbouring India, a capitalist country, practically their entire country is living in poverty. If you do the maths, and take 800million out of the total chinese population of 1.386 billion, you get around 5.8% (5.77% to be specific). Now look at how many people live in poverty in the uk. 20%. So technically more people are living in poverty in the Uk than there were in China, although the definitions of poverty may vary.

Just the other day China said it was giving away 623,000 free TVs to people who didn't have TVs so they could watch the military parade. Would the Uk government give away free TV's? No, instead it charges people to watch it, never mind buy it!

And as for capitalism forming the basis of their economic prosperity? Well, not entirely. It's market socialism which is a similar model used in Tito's Yugoslavia. Furthermore its compeltely different from free market capitalism as all companies are under the eye of the government who can literally control them.
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Are you Chinese?
Why are you in the capitalist west? presumably you are going back?
China has lifted 800 million plsu people out of poverty ,which is more than can be said for any western capitalist country. Victory to the Chinese people!

How many western capitalist countries have there ever been with 800m people in poverty?
How many people died?
Wasnt it capitalism that formed the basis of their economic prosperity?

Glory to the Chinese people.
Down with the imperialist west.
Also like to add 0.7% of Chinese people live in poverty compared to 20% of the UK. Just look at that.

Sure china is somewhat capitalist, but at least it uses its wealth to look after its people which is more than can be said for the UK and USA
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I still recognise the Republic of China government! 😛
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I think economically we should aim to be like them, particuarly in Britain. A hybrid system would be very effective.

I don't support their human rights abuses and mass surveillance though.
So you think we should just rip up and ignore international copy right law?

Torture our citizens and create factories where people work for a bowl of rice a day
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I still recognise the Republic of China government! 😛
You're the only one that does
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So you think we should just rip up and ignore international copy right law?

Torture our citizens and create factories where people work for a bowl of rice a day
No I never said that. I just said I think we should aim for a hybrid socialist-capitalist system until we can fully implement socialism/communism (i'm more fussed about socialism i wouldn't call myself a communist and neither should china).

And i just said i dont support their human rights abuses.
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No I never said that. I just said I think we should aim for a hybrid socialist-capitalist system until we can fully implement socialism/communism (i'm more fussed about socialism i wouldn't call myself a communist and neither should china).

And i just said i dont support their human rights abuses.
As a democratic socialist I think we should concentrate on our history of socialism which actually worked rather than idolise China.

Sorry I dont join you in the happy birthday message.
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Today we should remember all those who have died under the regime and those who have no brother or sister as a result of the one child policy.
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As a democratic socialist I think we should concentrate on our history of socialism which actually worked rather than idolise China.

Sorry I dont join you in the happy birthday message.
So where would you say socialism has worked elsewhere?

Cuba, Yugoslavia, USSR etc?

I'm not saying it hasn't worked I'm just interested in what a socdem thinks.

You can at least pay your respects to the socialist forces who took control from the nationalists and the inital years under Mao
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Today we should remember all those who have died under the regime and those who have no brother or sister as a result of the one child policy.
What about all those who have died under Britain, USA, France etc???? Capitalism in general??

The one child policy is a good idea to help stop overpopulation and help the environment. We should be adopting it in countries like India and other places that have problems with childbirth.
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Also like to add 0.7% of Chinese people live in poverty compared to 20% of the UK. Just look at that.

Sure china is somewhat capitalist, but at least it uses its wealth to look after its people which is more than can be said for the UK and USA
I will assume you are Chinese but too ashamed to confirm it.
If you despite the west so much, why are you here and not back in China?

Your prosperity owes more to Capitalism than Communism.

Poverty is a relative concept. If everyone is poor there is no poverty.

Income per head of USA and the UK is much higher than China. Even Taiwan. Do you want the figures?

Income disparity between your top earners is also much wider in China. Do you want the figures?
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So where would you say socialism has worked elsewhere?

Cuba, Yugoslavia, USSR etc?

I'm not saying it hasn't worked I'm just interested in what a socdem thinks.

You can at least pay your respects to the socialist forces who took control from the nationalists and the inital years under Mao
UK between 48 and 79. We knocked down all the slums replaced with social housing, Nationalised industires and created the NHS which represents an island of socialism in a capitalist sea.

Take care mate
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UK between 48 and 79. We knocked down all the slums replaced with social housing, Nationalised industires and created the NHS which represents an island of socialism in a capitalist sea.

Take care mate
We were still very much capitalist.
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Look at neighbouring India, a capitalist country, practically their entire country is living in poverty. If you do the maths, and take 800million out of the total chinese population of 1.386 billion, you get around 5.8% (5.77% to be specific). Now look at how many people live in poverty in the uk. 20%. So technically more people are living in poverty in the Uk than there were in China, although the definitions of poverty may vary.

Just the other day China said it was giving away 623,000 free TVs to people who didn't have TVs so they could watch the military parade. Would the Uk government give away free TV's? No, instead it charges people to watch it, never mind buy it!

And as for capitalism forming the basis of their economic prosperity? Well, not entirely. It's market socialism which is a similar model used in Tito's Yugoslavia. Furthermore its compeltely different from free market capitalism as all companies are under the eye of the government who can literally control them.
China gave that many free TVs away to people for the same reason North Korea does, to help project power. China has less people in poverty than the UK because the definition of poverty is chosen by each country, and China keeps theirs artificially low to make their numbers look better, so not only does China have more people in poverty than the UK, they have more people in poverty than would be expected for a country with their GDP per capita. China also has a massive income gap, there is a 400 million strong middle class and above which are the Chinese people who you see and interact with, while the other 1 billion is left in dire poverty. For context, my girlfriend's parents live in a town just outside of a tier 3 city, when her Mum works she makes 30RMB per day, in GBP that's about £3.40 if we're being generous. Her Dad is an aluminium smelter and makes about 1w per month, which is about £1,000, in a job where he is not given any safety equipment and you are lucky to get more than 6 months of work per year. China is also on its way to having the most debt per capita of any country in the world, and it already has the most bad debt. On top of the tiny percentage that 623,000 represents, that is why China can give people free TVs.

India may be poorer, but that is whataboutism. The fact of the matter is that while China was advanced its economy, it forgot to advance its society.

Also China is quite possibly the most capitalist and least socialist notable state I've come to know. The only way China is socialist is that the state owns enterprises, however most of the enterprises are either heavily used for power projection or are for direct monetary gain, even when it doesn't seem like it there are a lot of investments which seem like loss makers but actually bank on incredibly high rates of inflation. If you had bought a house in any city, but particularly the Tier 1s, 20 years ago then you would be rolling in money now. Otherwise healthcare costs money, schools cost money even when you're a kid, travel costs money, you don't get unemployment benefits, your pension is highly dependent on where you live (my girlfriend's grandma receives 100RMB per month) and operates on the basis that your children will take care of you. There is also so much unnecessary bureaucracy and excessive checks in the system, partly just because but mostly to expand the labour force and reduce unemployment, you really can't understand it until you're on the ground and see 10 people standing around an X-ray machine at every subway station. If you think China looks after its people then you haven't looked at China, China and Chinese society expects its people to look after themselves and their family, it certainly doesn't expect the government to take care of them, just to appear powerful.
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I will assume you are Chinese but too ashamed to confirm it.
If you despite the west so much, why are you here and not back in China?
So that's

"I dont like what you are saying and I think think you are an immigrant, so go home!"

That sounds a little Donold Trump tigger, and very crass too boot. Remember being liberal and tolerant is about excepting opinions of those you dislike as much as the ones you do like.

I dont agree with the Ferrograd but I dont think we should question why immigrants are here.
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So that's

"I dont like what you are saying and I think think you are an immigrant, so go home!"

That sounds a little Donold Trump tigger, and very crass too boot. Remember being liberal and tolerant is about excepting opinions of those you dislike as much as the ones you do like.

I dont agree with the Ferrograd but I dont think we should question why immigrants are here.
Thanks for your an attempt at a lesson I will decline
.If someone is continually attacking the UK or the West then it is a fair question of why be here if you hate the host country so much. That is fair comment.

You also miss the fact in the Trump case they were elected representatives and US citizens. They were attacking the issues and not the entire country in favour of another power.

You are also jumping in over a series of threads.
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