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An "intermediate" tier should be brought back for GCSE maths

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WJEC has intermediate and that works quite well in my opinion
Original post by mpaprika
WJEC has intermediate and that works quite well in my opinion


Intermediate level is the worst of both worlds. Not enough real maths or academic rigour for A Level and too much real maths for employment where proficiency in everyday maths and money calculations is required.


What is interesting (and confusing outside of Wales) is that WJEC also has a mathematics - numeracy GCSE.
Original post by Arran90
Intermediate level is the worst of both worlds. Not enough real maths or academic rigour for A Level and too much real maths for employment where proficiency in everyday maths and money calculations is required.


What is interesting (and confusing outside of Wales) is that WJEC also has a mathematics - numeracy GCSE.

don't get me started on numeracy, or hellacy. Absolutely hate it, the questions are always awful and usually trick questions, so if a student reads the question wrong, they're getting it wrong. I agree about intermediate not having enough real maths, however since it's half intermediate and half foundation it gives students a chance to get a good grade that they might not be able to achieve when doing higher, and obviously have no chance of getting doing foundation. Plus, the highest you can get on foundation is a D.. I also believe it's easier to get a B on higher than on intermediate, but I guess that depends on the student
Original post by mpaprika
Plus, the highest you can get on foundation is a D.. I also believe it's easier to get a B on higher than on intermediate, but I guess that depends on the student

That is not true - you can get a 5 on Foundation.

I suspect I'm the only one on this thread that has actually taught a three level GCSE ...
Original post by Muttley79
That is not true - you can get a 5 on Foundation.

I suspect I'm the only one on this thread that has actually taught a three level GCSE ...

oh I didn't know, everyone in my school complained that the highest you could get on wjec was a d??? I always thought that was a bit odd
Original post by mpaprika
oh I didn't know, everyone in my school complained that the highest you could get on wjec was a d??? I always thought that was a bit odd

That may have been so in the old three level GCSE but not in two tier nor in the new linear spec.
I get your point, but I believe that you should only be put forward to do the higher exam if you can guarantee a grade 6 or more. I don't think a new level is needed, if you're genuinely good enough for higher, you should be able to get a 5 or more. I think the grade 4/5 is there for people who severely messed up the higher paper and it gives them a chance to still pass. If you're getting 5s or less, you should deffo do the foundation paper cuz its easier and it increases the grade boundaries for the higher paper so it's easier to differentiate between the high achievers ( grade 8-9 students)
Original post by Muttley79
That may have been so in the old three level GCSE but not in two tier nor in the new linear spec.

yeah on the two tier system you can get a C but if you're doing WJEC the highest you can get on foundation is a D because it's three tier
Original post by _gcx
There's just too broad of a spectrum of abilities. Someone with a learning difficulty that can just about access the foundation paper wouldn't have a chance of scoring on a higher paper. If you were to combine them both together, that may work but it'd make a long exam and would be quite demotivating for people who can only answer part of the first half, and a waste of time for people who find the first half very easy. (say, students aiming for a 6 or above)

Fantastic response!
I got a 4 in my Maths GCSE Foundation exam, which was alright, but I feel like the hard work I put into Maths wasn't reflected well due to the grade capping put in place. I tried to get to the higher paper, but my previous school wouldn't let me. Sure, I do have Autism, but that doesn't mean I can't do maths to the best of my ability.
Original post by crusty kebab
I get your point, but I believe that you should only be put forward to do the higher exam if you can guarantee a grade 6 or more. I don't think a new level is needed, if you're genuinely good enough for higher, you should be able to get a 5 or more. I think the grade 4/5 is there for people who severely messed up the higher paper and it gives them a chance to still pass. If you're getting 5s or less, you should deffo do the foundation paper cuz its easier and it increases the grade boundaries for the higher paper so it's easier to differentiate between the high achievers ( grade 8-9 students)

Lmao did the higher paper and got a five close to a 6 (foundation is too easy for me) but that was because I was sick and tired of doing equations and didn't put in the effort...
at the same time there should be similar modifications to A level Maths. questions should be clearly differentiated and labelled as A,B,C etc to give less able students a chance to reach their target grades.
Original post by mpaprika
however since it's half intermediate and half foundation it gives students a chance to get a good grade that they might not be able to achieve when doing higher, and obviously have no chance of getting doing foundation.


I strongly believe that secondary school should prepare students for further education and future life in terms of knowledge rather than play a game of point scoring.

Intermediate level has been criticised as existing for the purpose of an easy way to that magical C grade. It lacks much of the beauty and utility of the old CSE which it replaced.
Original post by 1st superstar
Lmao did the higher paper and got a five close to a 6 (foundation is too easy for me) but that was because I was sick and tired of doing equations and didn't put in the effort...

exactly, if you find the foundation paper easy af, you should do the higher paper. What subjects are you taking lol.
Original post by crusty kebab
exactly, if you find the foundation paper easy af, you should do the higher paper. What subjects are you taking lol.

Doing A-levels and taking chemistry, physics and economics
Original post by Sir Cumference
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/276110 (not created by me)

For 9-1 GCSE maths in England there are two exams:

Foundation: Available grades U, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Higher : Available grades U, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

For the higher paper, 50% of the marks are targeted at grades 4-6 and 50% are targeted at grades 7-9. This has meant that grade 4/5 students are not able to demonstrate their ability in over half of the paper and this has led to grade boundaries of below 20% for grade 4. However hard an exam is, getting less than 20% does not demonstrate enough mathematical ability to achieve a passing grade in my opinion.

Some may argue that this is what the foundation paper is designed for but when schools are seeing such low boundaries for the higher paper you can understand why they would choose it for their grade 4/5 students.

Proposal : create an intermediate paper (like there has been in the past). Possible structure

Foundation: Available grades U, 1, 2, 3, 4
Intermediate : Available grades U, 4, 5, 6, 7
Higher : Available grades U, 6, 7, 8, 9

Possible downsides : cost, more confusion, more U grades and retakes

Maybe change the grades assessed for each tier. I would say:

Foundation : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (as it is)
Intermediate: 2, 3 ,4, 5, 6, 7 (2=E and that was the lowest grade available on intermediate)
Higher: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 ( with grade 3 safety net).


All tiers will have a U grade if students fail to achieve a grade.

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