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Was wondering is it too much of a problem if i get a rotation that doesnt include A/E in it? is it going to affect my applications in the future for whatever speciality ?

and affect my chances of ever getting locum shifts in a/e?
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Was wondering is it too much of a problem if i get a rotation that doesnt include A/E in it? is it going to affect my applications in the future for whatever speciality ?

and affect my chances of ever getting locum shifts in a/e?
Yes, for locuming shifts in ED they would usually want you to have had some experience in it.

For applications to ACCS EM, it's unlikely to significantly affect it (since they are so desperate for trainees).
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Yes, for locuming shifts in ED they would usually want you to have had some experience in it.

For applications to ACCS EM, it's unlikely to significantly affect it (since they are so desperate for trainees).
thanks so much,
how about for GP applications?(havent decided yet if im applying for which speciality)

and is there anything ELSE i need to keep in mind when choosing jobs eg i must ensure 1 surgery rotation 1 medicine etc ?
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...how about for GP applications?(havent decided yet if im applying for which speciality)
Again, GP specialty training is so uncompetitive that they cannot afford to really specify what experience FY2 doctors must have had.

I don't know about locuming in GP as an FY2 though, and I don't think it is as common as locuming in ED as an FY2.

and is there anything i need to keep in mind when choosing jobs eg i must ensure 1 surgery rotation 1 medicine etc ?
Well all foundation programmes (2 year ones) should have at least one general medical and one surgical rotation anyway. The other 4 rotations could potentially be anything.

Oh and remember you can do taster days in specialties if you don't manage to get a job in the specialty that you wanted to do.
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Again, GP specialty training is so uncompetitive that they cannot afford to really specify what experience FY2 doctors must have had.

I don't know about locuming in GP as an FY2 though, and I don't think it is as common as locuming in ED as an FY2.



Well all foundation programmes (2 year ones) should have at least one general medical and one surgical rotation anyway. The other 4 rotations could potentially be anything.

Oh and remember you can do taster days in specialties if you don't manage to get a job in the specialty that you wanted to do.
ohh okay thank u so much , so basically, if i want to ever locum in a/e in fy3 etc that i will def to have a specialty FY job in A/E then? ie no way around it?like an A/E elective or something?
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ohh okay thank u so much , so basically, if i want to ever locum in a/e in fy3 etc that i will def to have a specialty FY job in A/E then? ie no way around it?like an A/E elective or something?
I don't think there is, they usually ask for 4 months' experience in ED - which is the length of a typical FY rotation.
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wow okay thats so informative, wouldnt have never known! one last question, apart from A/E is there any other departments that is easy to locum in ?(in case i take a FY3 in the future)
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...so basically, if i want to ever locum in a/e in fy3 etc that i will def to have a specialty FY job in A/E then? ie no way around it?
There are lots of A&Es that will accept you without A&E experience. Some do, some don't. Do a quick google.
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ohh okay thank u so much , so basically, if i want to ever locum in a/e in fy3 etc that i will def to have a specialty FY job in A/E then? ie no way around it?like an A/E elective or something?
A&E is a really useful job - take an FY3 and do a six month trust SHO job. It's hard work but you'll learn loads and then you can locum confidently afterwards without any worries.
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There are lots of A&Es that will accept you without A&E experience. Some do, some don't. Do a quick google.
thanks for ur reply!really??so its not unheard of getting a locum a/e shift if you didnt do it in FY....i had a look on google but most of them are saying "experienced required" but nothing specific!
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A&E is a really useful job - take an FY3 and do a six month trust SHO job. It's hard work but you'll learn loads and then you can locum confidently afterwards without any worries.
hey thanks for ur reply!! So do you mean six month SHO job based in A/E ?

I know not all FY 1/2 jobs have A/E as a specialty. Obviously the ideal scenario would be to have a A/E 4 month job during my foundation years, but i mean if this doesnt happen, will this be the end of me thinking i will locum in a/e in the future(eg FY3)?
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hey thanks for ur reply!! So do you mean six month SHO job based in A/E ?

I know not all FY 1/2 jobs have A/E as a specialty. Obviously the ideal scenario would be to have a A/E 4 month job during my foundation years, but i mean if this doesnt happen, will this be the end of me thinking i will locum in a/e in the future(eg FY3)?
Yes, that's what I mean. You don't necessarily need to have done A&E during FY1/2 in order to be able to apply for trust jobs. I think that's probably a better introduction to A&E rather than trying to learn the job via random locums, which sounds a bit stressful in all honesty (although I'm sure it's perfectly doable, as the others have said).

Once you've done a proper job you'll have a decent amount of experience under your belt which will make doing locums a bit easier. That's how I'd do it anyway.
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.i had a look on google but most of them are saying "experienced required" but nothing specific!
Really? I googled and followed the top link (Indeed) and 2 of the top 3 jobs on there only specific right to work in the UK and GMC registration. The third requires "NHS experience" - very deliberately not specifying A&E experience.

Additionally, the two hospitals I did my FY2 in did not require A&E experience. I had none and they were sending multiple emails daily with A&E locum shifts.

Even if they were advertising a place as A&E experience only, I bet they would make an exception if you had worked in that hospital before - they really like that because then they can tell you aren't going to be a complete idiot.
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thanks for ur reply!really??so its not unheard of getting a locum a/e shift if you didnt do it in FY....i had a look on google but most of them are saying "experienced required" but nothing specific!
There will possibly/probably be a degree of flexibility. A&E recruitment is not great (to put it mildly) and if you have NHS and Foundation Programme experience that will already put you ahead of many of the other candidates. You've presumably done other acute jobs e.g. acute medicine, T&O, ICM? Just talk about the transferable skills you've gained in those jobs and you'll be alright.
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Why A&E locums specifically? Tbh I think there are enough people wanting to avoid A&E (though I think it's hugely valuable) that if you rank enough programmes including it, you're likely to get one. And if not, there are staff grade jobs or you may be able to.locum in trusts you've already worked in - this is easier than general agency locums as at least you're familiar with the site/systems even if the specialty is new.
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Yes, that's what I mean. You don't necessarily need to have done A&E during FY1/2 in order to be able to apply for trust jobs. I think that's probably a better introduction to A&E rather than trying to learn the job via random locums, which sounds a bit stressful in all honesty (although I'm sure it's perfectly doable, as the others have said).

Once you've done a proper job you'll have a decent amount of experience under your belt which will make doing locums a bit easier. That's how I'd do it anyway.
that sounds really reasonable and reassuring!thank u !!!
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Really? I googled and followed the top link (Indeed) and 2 of the top 3 jobs on there only specific right to work in the UK and GMC registration. The third requires "NHS experience" - very deliberately not specifying A&E experience.

Additionally, the two hospitals I did my FY2 in did not require A&E experience. I had none and they were sending multiple emails daily with A&E locum shifts.

Even if they were advertising a place as A&E experience only, I bet they would make an exception if you had worked in that hospital before - they really like that because then they can tell you aren't going to be a complete idiot.
thats actually true, i dont know why i assumed experience required meant a/e experience specifically!thank u so much
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Why A&E locums specifically? Tbh I think there are enough people wanting to avoid A&E (though I think it's hugely valuable) that if you rank enough programmes including it, you're likely to get one. And if not, there are staff grade jobs or you may be able to.locum in trusts you've already worked in - this is easier than general agency locums as at least you're familiar with the site/systems even if the specialty is new.
Hey Helenia, thanks for ur reply! I just assumed A/E locum is the most popular one! so is it common for people to find locum jobs in other specialties?
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Hey Helenia, thanks for ur reply! I just assumed A/E locum is the most popular one! so is it common for people to find locum jobs in other specialties?
Well, it depends on location and experience but yes, there are usually locum shifts available in things like gen med/gen surg as well as the specialties. From the rotations you've mentioned, I'd expect both Resp and Rheum to be on a gen med on call rota so you'll probably get acute experience in those.
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Basically long story short.. i havent done any jobs yet, im a UK applicant applying through oriel this week for FY training and theres a new programme called priority foundation training 2020 where you can apply directly to the job for SOME, i found a job where the location is perfect and i love the specialities as well except it doesnt have any a/e or acute jobs... its my dream location hospital and the specialities are Respiratory Medicine, Obstetrics and gynaecology, Cardiology, Rheumatology, Paediatrics,General Practice...so no AAU/A/E

so i was worried if i choose this as my "priority" im going to regret this decision and it would put me at a disadvantage in my career in the future..and may close some doors for me eg. doing locum etc
What do you mean 'no acute jobs' lol. All of those except GP will probably involve seeing admissions in A&E, and 2-3 will be on the medicine on call rota.

I also agree - unsure why you are focused on doing A&E locums. They are the most available, but far from the only available. Acute med in particular will have enough to keep you busy for sure.

If this is your dream job, just go for it.
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