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So, I’m looking to apply for a Civil Service apprenticeship for next year, they’re testing on behaviours and I feel my answers are great, but when I’ve applied before I didn’t get to the interview. Help!
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So, I’m looking to apply for a Civil Service apprenticeship for next year, they’re testing on behaviours and I feel my answers are great, but when I’ve applied before I didn’t get to the interview. Help!
Of course you're going to think your own behavioural answers are great. It would be odd to think otherwise.

Do you get feedback? Have you tried practicing these types of tests online through sites like JobTestPrep?
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Of course you're going to think your own behavioural answers are great. It would be odd to think otherwise.

Do you get feedback? Have you tried practicing these types of tests online through sites like JobTestPrep?
I mean I’m not bragging, but they basically have a mark scheme online for each behaviour, and I made sure I linked in every point.

They were unable to provide feedback as there was so many candidates.
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Ask someone else to read through it and compare it to the "mark scheme" and see if they agree. Otherwise, just keep trying.
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I mean I’m not bragging, but they basically have a mark scheme online for each behaviour, and I made sure I linked in every point.

They were unable to provide feedback as there was so many candidates.
HI, can you post the link to the mark scheme please?
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HI, can you post the link to the mark scheme please?
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ccess-profiles

Specifically, the file "Success Profiles: Civil Service Behaviours".
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I’ve sent my application now, and I looked at the skills above the grade I was applying for, fingers crossed.
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I’ve sent my application now, and I looked at the skills above the grade I was applying for, fingers crossed.
What type of roles are you applying for?

Also... what? Just look at the behaviours for the grade you're applying for. If anything you could be looking at the grade below the one you're applying for initially - to establish what you're moving up from exactly and what changes occur and what things you need to start thinking about.

They're not going to do a recruitment drive for an AO/EO role and then when marking your application have HEO/SEO standards to assign weighting.
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What type of roles are you applying for?

Also... what? Just look at the behaviours for the grade you're applying for. If anything you could be looking at the grade below the one you're applying for initially - to establish what you're moving up from exactly and what changes occur and what things you need to start thinking about.

They're not going to do a recruitment drive for an AO/EO role and then when marking your application have HEO/SEO standards to assign weighting.
I’m applying for an apprenticeship, and it’s civil service AA/AO, but I made my examples higher levels, because it’s marked from 1-7, and 7 is wholly exceeds the grade, so that’s what I want to do, as people who score the highest get the interviews.
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I’m applying for an apprenticeship, and it’s civil service AA/AO, but I made my examples higher levels, because it’s marked from 1-7, and 7 is wholly exceeds the grade, so that’s what I want to do, as people who score the highest get the interviews.
  • Not getting interviews
  • Not addressing the competencies at the grade you're applying for
  • Wants advice
  • Doesn't actually take advice

Yeah... best of luck.
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  • Not getting interviews
  • Not addressing the competencies at the grade you're applying for
  • Wants advice
  • Doesn't actually take advice

Yeah... best of luck.
You’re coming across rude and idek why, I was just asking a question.

I’ve applied for these types before, using the grade I was applying for, and I got around 5 on the scale, and I didn’t get the job because others had 6’s and 7’s.

So, idk why you’re getting out ya pram. I just wanted peoples previous experience of the civil service jobs sites, and process.
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You’re coming across rude and idek why, I was just asking a question.

I’ve applied for these types before, using the grade I was applying for, and I got around 5 on the scale, and I didn’t get the job because others had 6’s and 7’s.

So, idk why you’re getting out ya pram. I just wanted peoples previous experience of the civil service jobs sites, and process.
People have been asking for advice on this topic for well over a decade on this area - and I've been answering them. I can see a mile off when people create a thread for 'advice' who really just want validate their own method. If what you're doing isn't factually working, then nobody here can really help you if you believe you know what you're doing. Which you don't.

Also, maybe the world of employment is new to you - but if I'm reading an application for a shop assistant and the candidate experience/examples are showcasing someone who wants to be a manager, why would I hire them? I don't want to recruit a manager, I want a shop assistant. This is the last piece of humble pie I offer to you. Accept it or keep applying management standards to an AA/AO role, you won't get far. Ideally, they want someone at that exact level, or just below, so they can develop them. No point giving an apprenticeship at that grade to someone who already believes they're above it.
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People have been asking for advice on this topic for well over a decade on this area - and I've been answering them. I can see a mile off when people create a thread for 'advice' who really just want validate their own method. If what you're doing isn't factually working, then nobody here can really help you if you believe you know what you're doing. Which you don't.

Also, maybe the world of employment is new to you - but if I'm reading an application for a shop assistant and the candidate experience/examples are showcasing someone who wants to be a manager, why would I hire them? I don't want to recruit a manager, I want a shop assistant. This is the last piece of humble pie I offer to you. Accept it or keep applying management standards to an AA/AO role, you won't get far. Ideally, they want someone at that exact level, or just below, so they can develop them. No point giving an apprenticeship at that grade to someone who already believes they're above it.
Yes, and I thoroughly understand your point of view, but in the past, I’ve applied for apprenticeships at this level, and hit a 5, but the position was given to people who exceeded the level at 6’s and 7’s. So if I couldn’t get the job for hitting the grade, why did the others for excelling the grade, so that’s why I thought going one up, would help.
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Yes, and I thoroughly understand your point of view, but in the past, I’ve applied for apprenticeships at this level, and hit a 5, but the position was given to people who exceeded the level at 6’s and 7’s. So if I couldn’t get the job for hitting the grade, why did the others for excelling the grade, so that’s why I thought going one up, would help.
Exceeding X Grade doesn't mean they were into the next grade up though. It just means that they demonstrated Y behaviour to a level that exceeded X Grade requirements.

There's quite a lot of difference between each number grade, focus on working on your answers to your current grade, rather than trying answer things they're not asking for.
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People have been asking for advice on this topic for well over a decade on this area - and I've been answering them. I can see a mile off when people create a thread for 'advice' who really just want validate their own method. If what you're doing isn't factually working, then nobody here can really help you if you believe you know what you're doing. Which you don't.

Also, maybe the world of employment is new to you - but if I'm reading an application for a shop assistant and the candidate experience/examples are showcasing someone who wants to be a manager, why would I hire them? I don't want to recruit a manager, I want a shop assistant. This is the last piece of humble pie I offer to you. Accept it or keep applying management standards to an AA/AO role, you won't get far. Ideally, they want someone at that exact level, or just below, so they can develop them. No point giving an apprenticeship at that grade to someone who already believes they're above it.
Have you ever done/thought of doing a top 10 tips sort of thing for civil service applications?
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Exceeding X Grade doesn't mean they were into the next grade up though. It just means that they demonstrated Y behaviour to a level that exceeded X Grade requirements.

There's quite a lot of difference between each number grade, focus on working on your answers to your current grade, rather than trying answer things they're not asking for.
I’ve already sent the application now, and I’m doubting myself. The point system after 5 is 6 and 7. 6 is - substantial, includes some evidence exceeding this level and 7 wholly exceeds level. I’ve noticed the people who score 6’s and 7’s get the jobs, so they must be looking at the next level.

It didn’t sound too professional for the job, I only used hints from the upper grade, as previously I’ve hit everything in each behaviour, but missed out due to better applications.
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I’ve already sent the application now, and I’m doubting myself. The point system after 5 is 6 and 7. 6 is - substantial, includes some evidence exceeding this level and 7 wholly exceeds level. I’ve noticed the people who score 6’s and 7’s get the jobs, so they must be looking at the next level.

It didn’t sound too professional for the job, I only used hints from the upper grade, as previously I’ve hit everything in each behaviour, but missed out due to better applications.
Civil Service roles are very competitive, and unfortunately you're not going to get every role you apply for. Instead I would focus on looking for more opportunities and get some applications in for those as well. I'm assuming you're already searching on the civil service jobs website, but do keep checking on there for more roles.
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Civil Service roles are very competitive, and unfortunately you're not going to get every role you apply for. Instead I would focus on looking for more opportunities and get some applications in for those as well. I'm assuming you're already searching on the civil service jobs website, but do keep checking on there for more roles.
Yes, I’m currently taking my a-levels (Year 13) but if I don’t go to Uni, this would really be a good opportunity.

That’s why I’ve looked up to the next level, to try and be competitive. All the situations I gave were true, so it’s not going to come across as though I’m applying for a managers position.
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Have you ever done/thought of doing a top 10 tips sort of thing for civil service applications?
Not really because although the recruitment process is rigid in the CS - it appears to be diverse and role dependant. Border Force for example is really strength/reaction driven, my role in DWP was just straight up STAR compentencies that I could rattle off for fun.

I'm very happy to review personal statements though. Supported my friend with that to make it more Civil Service friendly. My friends first reaction on starting the application was "where do I upload my CV?"

The application process for the Civil Service is alien to many from the private sector, where the CV you've agonised over presentation-wise doesn't matter at all. It's all about compiling all that experience into snappy stories or personal statements. A lot of departments have actually released guidance on how to write a personal statement. The CPS one is my favourite, I have it saved and have gotten a good few interviews from just following the structure.
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Not really because although the recruitment process is rigid in the CS - it appears to be diverse and role dependant. Border Force for example is really strength/reaction driven, my role in DWP was just straight up STAR compentencies that I could rattle off for fun.

I'm very happy to review personal statements though. Supported my friend with that to make it more Civil Service friendly. My friends first reaction on starting the application was "where do I upload my CV?"

The application process for the Civil Service is alien to many from the private sector, where the CV you've agonised over presentation-wise doesn't matter at all. It's all about compiling all that experience into snappy stories or personal statements. A lot of departments have actually released guidance on how to write a personal statement. The CPS one is my favourite, I have it saved and have gotten a good few interviews from just following the structure.
I'm glad someone enjoys doing STAR competencies, I hate them :P

I has a recent application where they were looking for 7 behaviours, 4 additional qualities they wanted STAR naswers for, and a personal statement, that was a bit of a marathon.
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