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Parliament must reject the latest Boris 'deal' proposal and call for a 2nd referendum

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Reply 180

Reality Check

Boris Johnson would be well advised to spend today choosing his ditch.

Reply 181

Burton Bridge

Original post by paul514

Yes but if what is reported is true then it takes away the reasons and benefits of brexit.

Let’s also not forget due to mays stupid decision to ignore David Davis and agree to the order of talks the EU has got what it wants before trade talks start.

Agreed mate, I've already mentioned this 100's of times before.

I'm going to be honest, I think the benefits of brexit have been long ago lost. We are firmly in damage limitation nowadays, I wish ed Miliband had won the 2015 election and the whole country would be better for it.

Reply 182

Burton Bridge

Original post by QE2

Add "Brexit Negotiations" to the litany of things you don't understand.
The border down the Irish Sea was part of the original proposal by the EU, which May's team rejected as unacceptable.
Johnson has folded like a piece of origami.

Reply 183

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

There isn't, I've already explained Conservatives policy which influenced this, I've explained the need for control and explained it isn't the same as reduce or stop. I've explained the neoliberalism if the EU and socialist policies for intervention and protection.

Why keep highlighting my posts when its clear as day, you cannot assimilate view points different to your own is you're issue!

No, you haven't explained anything. You just make unsupported claims and assertions.
You claim that there is already the supply of labour for those million jobs, from UK workers, at the current pay and conditions.
So why do employers need a million immigrants to fill them?

Reply 184

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

That one flew over you're head :biggrin:

What? You made a fatuous comment. I made a joke out of it.
You really do struggle with this stuff, don't you.

Reply 185

Burton Bridge

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Turkey had been discussing joining the EU for decades - but it was completely clear politically at the time of the referendum (to everyone, apparently, except the Leave EU forces and Boris) that Turkey would never actually join. I'm surprised you don't know this.

Rees-Mogg is indeed a totalitarian, this can also be seen in his contempt for the supreme court of the UK - despite allegedly being against those horrid EU judiciars and in favour of our marvellous British ones - and his contempt for Parliament at the crucial moment, after years of blathering on about how marvellous it is.

1) that's not what I asked is it? I said Are you aware of the support in the UK government for Turkey to join the EU around 2015? This is very important when the leader of the remain campaign had recently stated he would not "shut Turkey out the club". Its clear our veto was not going to be used if Turkey was to join.

2) I'm finding it very difficult to take you seriously, you simply cannot shout Nazi at people you disagree with. I realise this has been the trump card of this new left wing movement (which ironically believe in right wing policies) has over took genuine left wing people like myself. The more I listen the more you reinforce what I believe to be correct.

Reply 186

Burton Bridge

Original post by QE2

I have it's just you dont listen, or fully assimilate.

I repeat Why keep highlighting my posts when its clear as day, you cannot assimilate view points different to your own. Both you and I know as soon as you get to a point where you are incapable of replying or need to compromise or give way in the debate you will remove context and ridicule or occasionally ignore.

Keep rambling on to yourself.

Reply 187

Burton Bridge

Original post by the bear

that is a very nasty libel.

counterproductive and very wrong too boot

Reply 188

Rakas21

I’m extremely concerned about this level playing field stuff. The EU even after dealing with Ireland looks like trying to prevent our ability to change our economic model meaningfully on stuff like tax, state aid and competition.

This is something even Corbyn fans should be wary of.

Reply 189

Burton Bridge

Original post by LiberOfLondon

Funnily enough, I always thought FoS was a ”champagne socialist” style lefty with heavy Blairite leanings. Although Bennites like yourself would probably consider Blair a Tory, so...

Agreed. I'll have you know I have some socially liberal leanings *shakes cane* LEGALISE THE TING!

You really are a charming bloke. Please explain to me how JR-M is a Nazi.

Paragraph order.

I dont like the term champagne socialist, this is because it implies you cannot be wealthy, successful or even be born to the wrong class and be a socialist. I'd go for more neoliberal. I class tony blair as a #### mate :rofl:

seriously he was neoliberal.

Being liberal is key to all politics, it's very important to respect what you dont like as much as what you do. Nobody (within reason) should feel like their voice is suppressed. It is this suppression which causes the real harm/hatred to grow.

Agreed. As I said we are going to need another word for the actual nazis/fascists at the rate the identity poltical obsessed crew are carrying on.

Reply 190

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

You dont know where you're super special EU utopia funds?

This is unintelligible, even by your standards.

Cant say I'm surprised, I would reply more but what's the point, all that will happen is you will misquoted me, refuse to debate then open my and proudly "just stick to ridicule" to use your own words.

So you can't explain what you mean by "EU funded education system".

Stop quoting me.

Stop posting stupid stuff then.

Reply 191

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

This is Clcorrect, This is the red tape which could be removed in a post brexit Britain (which I spoke about a few months back) which could make it easier to inploy skilled immigrants from outside the EU.

I know the NHS have issues with this very issue, however the issue if nobody is erecting uncrossable barriers, not the the UK side anyway.

What are the restrictions on skilled non-EU immigration to the UK imposed by the EU?
What are the restrictions on skilled EU migrants imposed by the EU?

Given this, how will leaving the EU affect the availability of skilled migrants?

Reply 192

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

For a start removing the superiority of EU law.

Which UK laws that have been imposed on the UK by the EU do you most object to? Specifics please.

Brexit it is about the illusion of sovereignty versus the illusion of economic stability, both of them are not as real as the fanatics at both ends if the brexit tribes will have you think.

So you admit that Brexit does not really increase sovereignty or economic stability.

Reply 193

Burton Bridge

@QE2

For someone who does not wish to debate with me, openly claiming to prefer ridicule, you seem desperate for my attention :doctor:

Reply 194

QE2

Original post by the bear

He's the sort of profiteering creep who in Germany would have loyally served the Fuhrer, making money from the holocaust and carefully preening himself in immaculate suits.

that is a very nasty libel.

Image not Photoshopped.

Reply 195

Reality Check

Original post by QE2

Image not Photoshopped.

What a very unfortunate shadow.

Reply 196

QE2

Original post by ColinDent

So you accept that we have at some point fished for cod,

Who claimed that we didn't? :confused:

The point was that cod is not as common in UK waters, so "taking back control" of them will not increase the availability of cod to the UK market.

(edited 4 years ago)

Reply 197

QE2

Original post by Fullofsurprises

I am constantly infuriated by Corbyn's weak-ass vacillations and sneaky self-absorption on the subject - the Labour Party are supposed above all to defend working people and they are lamentably failing to do that under his 'leadership'.

Starmer for PM!

Reply 198

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

I'm going to be honest, I think the benefits of brexit have been long ago lost. We are firmly in damage limitation nowadays

But you still support it.
Makes sense.

Reply 199

QE2

Original post by Burton Bridge

ikr
Your constant inability to understand the basic issues at work here is getting boring.

You claimed the EU had given in to pressure from BoJob and conceded ground.
In reality, the opposite happened.