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The EU and the British government are advertising this as the new Deal for going forwards into the detailed trade negotiations.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...rn_ireland.pdf

It appears to be a 'protocol' and I'm not certain what legal standing that has as it isn't yet (perhaps it will be, if approved) a Treaty.

64 pages of legalese - the first one to understand it gets a banana. :teehee:
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Reading Barnier's comments in his TV coverage right now, it would seem that the deal is some kind of mutual fudge - the EU will basically overlook the fact that UK goods can flow into NI and then into the EU without proper checking. There won't be any borders and there will be a 'Joint Committee' that oversees the chaos.

It sounds implausible!
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
64 pages of legalese - the first one to understand it gets a banana. :teehee:
Only if it's a bendy one...
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Now the remainers will backtrack and say no deal can be carried forth without a confirmarty referendum.

As opposed to their previous position that we can't leave without a deal. Because they didn't believe a deal was possible.

The problem with this approach is that it will be remainers who will be seen as the barrier to all this being resolved.

That being said the argument to give parliament enough time to scrutinize it is a strong one. However all the nations of the EU appear to agree with it and they have had a similar amount of time.
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It's looking as though Northern Ireland might be able to adopt Irish VAT rates and avoid UK VAT rates. That sounds bizarre in actual operation. UK companies might have a choice.
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Only if it's a bendy one...
:rofl:

They only do straight-down-the-line uncompromisingly regular and completely non-bent ones in Northern Ireland.
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Now the remainers will backtrack and say no deal can be carried forth without a confirmarty referendum.

As opposed to their previous position that we can't leave without a deal. Because they didn't believe a deal was possible.

The problem with this approach is that it will be remainers who will be seen as the barrier to all this being resolved.

That being said the argument to give parliament enough time to scrutinize it is a strong one. However all the nations of the EU appear to agree with it and they have had a similar amount of time.
Note that Boris's position is Parliament have had loads of time on this already. But they haven't, because this is a new document.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Note that Boris's position is Parliament have had loads of time on this already. But they haven't, because this is a new document.
I agree, it's just a shame that for many MPs they will just frustrate the process until they get brexit canceled.
There isn't even an appetite for another referendum.
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I agree, it's just a shame that for many MPs they will just frustrate the process until they get brexit canceled.
There isn't even an appetite for another referendum.
On Saturday, the largest march possibly in the last century, in favour of another referendum, is going to take place. There's hardly 'no appetite'.
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Corbyn now says he is after all going to back a second referendum on this deal-vs-remain.
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Most pro-Remain commentators saying that Boris only has ERG support for this because they plan to renege on the terms of the deal once it's passed through.
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SNP predictably saying they should have the same right for Scotland to stay in harmony with the EU post-Brexit as NI theoretically does in this deal, albeit under a 'Joint Commission'.
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Boris the plumber has stuck his arm down the U bend and removed the huge stinking blockage at last.

:congrats:
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EU and UK say they have Brexit deal – POLITICO: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-a...e-brexit-deal/
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It's a shame parliamentarians have not supported the process, instead of making it more difficult.
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Boris the plumber has stuck his arm down the U bend and removed the huge stinking blockage at last.

:congrats:
Hmmm.... I wouldn't bank on it.
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(Original post by adam277)
I agree, it's just a shame that for many MPs they will just frustrate the process until they get brexit canceled.
There isn't even an appetite for another referendum.
This is a strange view given that the most vocal and recalcitrant opposition to the various deals have come from the DUP and hardcore Brexiter MPs within the Conservative party.

Although I’m aware the narrative of blaming Remainers for the failure to deliver Brexit to date is entrenched in the minds of leave supporters.
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Boris the plumber has stuck his arm down the U bend and removed the huge stinking blockage at last.

:congrats:
That's not a nice way to talk about Arlene... And by the sounds of it, she's still firmly wedged in there.
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My 32 county sense is tingling
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My 32 county sense is tingling
The Force is strong with you.
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