D&D Religion's "Ask About Sikhism" Thread

med_lion

Are you able to elaborate on what philosophy Sikhism disagrees with from the Vedas?

Thanks.

Where, in the sikh scriptures, does it state, that its from God and that Guru Nanak had God talk to him directly? Also, what attributes of the scriptures, confirm to you that it is from God. Thanks.

According to Hinduism, how i see it, you believe that the Vedas is eternal, and that Simritis, Puranas are the basics of Hinduism. In terms of Holy Scriptures, Sikhism ONLY accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. A quote is;


Except the Word of the Guru, all other word is false. False is the Word that is not the true Guru’s. False are the speakers, false are the hearers, false are those who speak and recite. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 917)

The next few quotes are directly about the Vedas and are quoted from SGGS;

You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635)



O Pandit, O religious scholar, your filth shall not be erased, even if you read the Vedas for four ages. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 647)



He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible. The Supreme King of Nanak is immanent and manifest. ||4||3||105|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 397)



One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 747)



The mortal thinks about the Vedic teachings of the three gunas, the three dispositions. He deals in corruption, filth and vice. He dies, only to be reborn; he is ruined over and over again. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1262)



The Simritee is the daughter of the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny. She has brought a chain and a rope. ||1|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 329)



The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 727)



The Simritees and the Shaastras discriminate between good and evil, but they do not know the true essence of reality. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 920)

You may say that in the SGGS it says;
Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.
However, you must try to learn to read between the lines. During the time of Kabir Ji, muslims and hindus were speaking ill of each others' religious books and they asked Kabir Ji who was right. Kabir Ji replied with the above quote which can be translated as;
"Thinking under the influence of anger, do not call Vedas and Quran false. Try to understand the reality in a peaceful way and then say what you want to."


These are just a `few` of the quotes in SGGS regarding the Vedas. You try and say that Sikhism is basically Hinduism but infact there are many things that we do not agree with such as Idol worship, cow worship etc. I hope i have answered your question.

It's funny talking with Hindutva types and I've got some time to kill so I'll answer you on this one.

Gurbani states not to believe in them therefore they are not compatible with Gurmat (Guru Ji's philosophy). We reject the scriptures outlining a philosophy, so we reject the philosophy. Do you understand what I mean by "reject it"?. There was no more need for Guru Sahib to say anything on the matter as it would simply be a waste of time, he didn't write he rejects them for the fun of it but because we don't believe in what they say. How hard is that to accept or understand?
Sikhi is simply a seperate faith, it beleives in neither the Vedas or the semetic texts, asking someone to list the differences between Sikhi and Vedic philosophy is just asking for an explanation of the whole religion. You want to know that then read Gurbani, the be all and end all of Gurmat. 1430 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji +Dasam Granth+Bhai Gurdas Vara+Bhai Nand Lal's writings are Sikh philosophy, that is not going to get compressed into a post on thestudentroom.

And no, what med_lion has quoted is not in line with Vedic philosophy. As you stated yourself some time earlier in this thread the reason for this is that one should not get caught up in scriptures and that experiencing God is most important. Sikhi says it because we don't believe in what they say, kind of a difference.
In fact on that note our equalivent of scriptures would be Gurbani, and in fact we are told that reading Gurbani is infact experiencing God, that immersing one self in Gurbani is what will unite us with him.

On Raksha Bandhan, Punjabis tie rakhris/rakhis. Those punjabis who also align themselves with the Sikh faith that celebrate rakhsa bandhan do so for cultural reasons. Orthodox/baptised Sikhs generally won't.

Again, I appreciate the effort you have put in here but you're really not addressing the crux of the issue. You say you "reject" the Vedas, but there is a reason correct? You don't reject the Vedas for no reason right? If you reject them for no reason then the act of rejecting them means nothing. So, I am asking, why do you reject them. There must be something within the Vedas which Sikhs disagree with. So far, no one here has the answers.

No, I don't need an explanation of "the whole religion" nor do I need to "read the Gurbani". For example, if I asked what Islam disagrees with from the Vedas, they'd say reincarnation and karma etc. Not difficult, it's a clear and simple list. I don't need to read the Quran to know that, nor is it explaining the "whole religion". Now if no one here can provide a simple and clear list about what it is that they disagree with from the Vedas, then it's pretty clear what is going on here...

And yes, what med_lion has quoted is in line with Vedic philosophy. It's evident that you don't understand Vedanta and this is the problem here. "Sikhi says its because we don't believe in what they say"...well tell me exactly what it is you don't believe in? This is what I am asking from day one. Reincarnation? No...karma? No...belief in one God? No...devotion and reciting God's name as much as you can? No. So let's see it, what is it that you don't believe which the Vedas do say you should believe in?

Suave, the quotes that i posted show that Sikhs "reject" the Vedas..hence who cares what "philosophy" from the Vedas Sikhism disagrees with. Just to name some...men are of a higher "standard" in Hinduism than women. Another is the caste system. But the biggest "philosophical error" the Vedas gives is that there are 33 millions Gods! Let alone the other teachings of the Vedas, if the main "teaching" is incorrect then why even bother to look at what Sikhism disagrees with from the Vedas.

Dude, you think you are clever with words? We don't like to just list things but would like to provde sufficient quotes to back things up.

But i would like to annouce one thing for sure MATE:

..the reason there is Hinduism today is because the 9th Sikh Guru gave His head for the YOUR religion. If it wasn't for His sacrifice then there would only been Islam and Sikhism today "without" Hinduism...

I have yet to see any differences in teachings/philosophy/beliefs