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What are the lowest grades you've heard of people getting into any RG unis for law?

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BBB generally.
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AAB/ABB I can’t remember the ABB was from tho
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Guess it depends on the university. In my mind the RG can be split up into three groups, top, Oxbridge and the TLAs (UCL, ICL, LSE, KCL) which will probably want no less than AAA. Then middle, Bristol, Nott, Exeter Birmingham who will likely want AAA-AAB. Then bottom (Queens, Liverpool, Cardiff who will be more in the AAB-ABB range.

Or just look up on the websites since some (mid-bottom especially) will let you in with a grade lower than the typical offer?
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Guess it depends on the university. In my mind the RG can be split up into three groups, top, Oxbridge and the TLAs (UCL, ICL, LSE, KCL) which will probably want no less than AAA. Then middle, Bristol, Nott, Exeter Birmingham who will likely want AAA-AAB. Then bottom (Queens, Liverpool, Cardiff who will be more in the AAB-ABB range.

Or just look up on the websites since some (mid-bottom especially) will let you in with a grade lower than the typical offer?
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What are the lowest grades you've heard of people getting into any RG unis for law?

Through clearing or initial application.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6160930 (document 10)

For the RG universities that are less selective, there's a fairly big difference between predicted and offer grades, and the grades you need to get in Apply vs Clearing. For example, you should probably be predicted A*AA and above for QMUL if you're applying right now, but they may be willing to take you on if you achieve AAA and they're in Clearing in August. They may also take someone with AAA/AAB if they got an offer now, firmed it, and missed it.

On top of that, you have contextual offers, which are a grade or two lower than the standard offer (check document 3).
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https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6160930 (document 10)

For the RG universities that are less selective, there's a fairly big difference between predicted and offer grades, and the grades you need to get in Apply vs Clearing. For example, you should probably be predicted A*AA and above for QMUL if you're applying right now, but they may be willing to take you on if you achieve AAA and they're in Clearing in August. They may also take someone with AAA/AAB if they got an offer now, firmed it, and missed it.

On top of that, you have contextual offers, which are a grade or two lower than the standard offer (check document 3).
Ah this data you linked seems very useful. Looking at document 10 then, 34 people managed to get into Bristol with ABB when the course is A*AA. Would this then be safe to assume that everyone that got in with those grades were accepted through contextual offers?
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Ah this data you linked seems very useful. Looking at document 10 then, 34 people managed to get into Bristol with ABB when the course is A*AA. Would this then be safe to assume that everyone that got in with those grades were accepted through contextual offers?
That seems to be the most logical explanation for Bristol in particular

If, however, the university was Liverpool or something, it's entirely possible that they got a regular offer based on a higher set of predicted grades which they then missed on Results Day (Liverpool isn't very selective)

As you can tell, it's quite a university/context-specific issue, so the data needs to be treated with care
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That seems to be the most logical explanation for Bristol in particular

If, however, the university was Liverpool or something, it's entirely possible that they got a regular offer based on a higher set of predicted grades which they then missed on Results Day (Liverpool isn't very selective)

As you can tell, it's quite a university/context-specific issue, so the data needs to be treated with care
Ah alright cheers, taking the data into account it's looking like it might be a scramble on results day to try and get into liverpool aha I suppose with all that in mind the only thing to do from here is try and achieve the grades.

On a separate note, would it be unheard of for someone to go to Liverpool for example and obtain a training contract at a decent London firm (assuming they meet the A level and degree classification requirement)? Whilst I appreciate the competition is fierce, it's portrayed as though on here that if you don't go to Oxbridge/LSE you've got no chance...
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A poster above did quite a good breakdown on the types of RG uni. Whilst any RG uni is generally better than a non-RG university there are still differences within the RG itself.

To answer your question; it is not unheard of for a Liverpool grad to get a TC at a "decent London firm" but yes at like US firms it probably is quite heavily dominated by Oxbridge.

The RG can also be split into 3 as mentioned above (this doesnt mean the teaching is better it is more about prestige etc)

Tier 1: Probably Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, KCL

Tier 2: Bristol, Durham, Exeter, Uni of Sheffield, Uni of Notts, Uni of Manc, Warwick, Uni of Bham

Tier 3: Everything else

Liverpool has let its standards go over recent years; probably the easiest to get into as it takes quite a large amount of students. Whether law firms have picked up on this is a different question.
Ahh alright thanks for the answer. I don't think I would look into going to America and practicing Law, so presuming any sort of RG would be enough to at least get a foot in the door for most London firms that'd be enough for me.

My reason for asking is, I wouldn't see it worthwhile going to uni to study law (at somewhere like Liverpool or something similar) to end up doing a job that I could have got without the degree. The end goal would be to obtain a training contract somewhere (ideally London, potentially MC) so didn't want to waste my time/money if I wasn't able to do so.
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My friend needed ABB for liverpool and they let her in with BCC on results day which was a shock tbh
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No. There are a host of US firms which offer TCs in this country. One could argue that they are infact the most prestigious TCs on the market, although I am unsure how MC trainees would feel about that. US firms generally pay greater (almost 50k more) than the top MC pay packet, hours are said to be similar (you get shafted at both so might aswell rack up a higher cheque)

It is good you are asking, too many people just do law in hope they will land a TC somewhere and are under the illusion that no firm cares about university, if they didnt they wouldnt be asking in their application and they wouldnt be attending a select universities law fair. Put simply getting a TC is hard but going to a reputable university makes it a tad bit easier and you need all the factors on your side to secure a TC due to the competition. That said a university name is not going to get you through the door on its own; you need good grades and good UCAS points to be considered.

People will tell you "university does not matter" but I implore you to go a do a quick linkedin search; "future trainee at Linklaters" or any MC firm of your choice, go down the list and see the universities their trainees attended and youll see a large chunk if not all are RG uni students. But of course that is not to say that NO non-rg student has ever done it as they have however, its still a minority.
To add on, opportunities like being a campus ambassador for the top firms are usually open to RG unis and from time to time they'll also include Leicester but not all the time
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No. There are a host of US firms which offer TCs in this country. One could argue that they are infact the most prestigious TCs on the market, although I am unsure how MC trainees would feel about that. US firms generally pay greater (almost 50k more) than the top MC pay packet, hours are said to be similar (you get shafted at both so might aswell rack up a higher cheque)

It is good you are asking, too many people just do law in hope they will land a TC somewhere and are under the illusion that no firm cares about university, if they didnt they wouldnt be asking in their application and they wouldnt be attending a select universities law fair. Put simply getting a TC is hard but going to a reputable university makes it a tad bit easier and you need all the factors on your side to secure a TC due to the competition. That said a university name is not going to get you through the door on its own; you need good grades and good UCAS points to be considered.

People will tell you "university does not matter" but I implore you to go a do a quick linkedin search; "future trainee at Linklaters" or any MC firm of your choice, go down the list and see the universities their trainees attended and youll see a large chunk if not all are RG uni students. But of course that is not to say that NO non-rg student has ever done it as they have however, its still a minority.
Ahh right, that's my bad I misunderstood what you meant by 'US firms' however I completely get your point now. Obviously being a bit earlier into the application process there are lots of things I'll need to understand - but this is a good start so thanks for all your help.

But yeah, of course there will be some bias when selecting candidates (which I believe is fair to maintain prestige and high standards), but I was just wondering to the extent of which it went. If I were to go university though I would like to think I'd put a lot of effort in trying to build up a strong CV by joining the Law society and trying to find leadership roles in other societies just because of how competitive it can be to find a success route into Law.

I'll have a look at LinkedIn now though - should be interesting to see the reality of it.
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My friend needed ABB for liverpool and they let her in with BCC on results day which was a shock tbh
This is interesting. Is that for a straight Law (M100) degree?
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This is interesting. Is that for a straight Law (M100) degree?
Yes! As much as I love my friend and wish her all success, I do think that it wasnt fair that she got in yet I have another friend who got ACC (was very close to ABB in terms of marks) yet got rejected
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Yes! As much as I love my friend and wish her all success, I do think that it wasnt fair that she got in yet I have another friend who got ACC (was very close to ABB in terms of marks) yet got rejected
Hmm, yeah that is strange and quite unfair. With that in mind then, I suppose somewhere like Leicester which isn't a RG may hold higher prestige if this is something they do regularly? In another way I suppose it gives me slightly more hope when results day comes around...
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Hmm, yeah that is strange and quite unfair. With that in mind then, I suppose somewhere like Leicester which isn't a RG may hold higher prestige if this is something they do regularly? In another way I suppose it gives me slightly more hope when results day comes around...
Leicester is still a good uni! I personally think Leicester, UEA and Kent are some of the best non-RG unis for law. Bare in mind also, the BCC girl had liverpool as her firm with no insurance whilst the ACC girl had liverpool as her insurance and she had a much better uni as her firm.

Clearing on results day this year (I spent ages looking because I was scared I wasn't going to get AAB or above and my plan was to retake if end up getting ABB or doing politics and economics instead) Newcastle and Nottingam were so popular for law in clearing. The was an Instagram chat for Law at Durham offer holders and around 5 people got in (this was before Instagram put more of a limit on the group chat number so there was actually a large amount of people on the chat.) Everyone else missed their offers and got in to Nottingham and Newcastle through clearing.

A few other good unis were in clearing also, Exeter was in clearing but only for law with business at the Peryn campus, Queen's Belfast, Sheffield also but Sheffield was very smart and at first came out with the standard grades and then slowly decreased them the closer it got to the end of their clearing cycle. Bristol was in early clearing for law but if I'm right it was only for international students and their grades didn't budge. Liverpool was taking BBB and above in all their courses in early clearing at first but then on results day that changed and all their law courses weren't there so I'm assuming they were full.
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Leicester is still a good uni! I personally think Leicester, UEA and Kent are some of the best non-RG unis for law. Bare in mind also, the BCC girl had liverpool as her firm with no insurance whilst the ACC girl had liverpool as her insurance and she had a much better uni as her firm.

Clearing on results day this year (I spent ages looking because I was scared I wasn't going to get AAB or above and my plan was to retake if end up getting ABB or doing politics and economics instead) Newcastle and Nottingam were so popular for law in clearing. The was an Instagram chat for Law at Durham offer holders and around 5 people got in (this was before Instagram put more of a limit on the group chat number so there was actually a large amount of people on the chat.) Everyone else missed their offers and got in to Nottingham and Newcastle through clearing.

A few other good unis were in clearing also, Exeter was in clearing but only for law with business at the Peryn campus, Queen's Belfast, Sheffield also but Sheffield was very smart and at first came out with the standard grades and then slowly decreased them the closer it got to the end of their clearing cycle. Bristol was in early clearing for law but if I'm right it was only for international students and their grades didn't budge. Liverpool was taking BBB and above in all their courses in early clearing at first but then on results day that changed and all their law courses weren't there so I'm assuming they were full.
Ahh funny you mention both UEA and Kent - I held offers from both of them last year (I'm retaking this year.) It's a shame because the unis I really wanted to go to I didn't receive offers from and so I sort of stopped caring and lost all motivation (wrong attitude I know :\ )

Regarding Nottingham however, I was under the impression that they required the LNAT in order to get an offer from them and study there. Was this true in clearing too or do they take anyone without it as long as they have the grades? I'd definitely be interesting in Exeter/Durham/Bristol too but I really don't have a clue how I'll do this year so wouldn't want to shoot too high.
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Ahh funny you mention both UEA and Kent - I held offers from both of them last year (I'm retaking this year.) It's a shame because the unis I really wanted to go to I didn't receive offers from and so I sort of stopped caring and lost all motivation (wrong attitude I know :\ )

Regarding Nottingham however, I was under the impression that they required the LNAT in order to get an offer from them and study there. Was this true in clearing too or do they take anyone without it as long as they have the grades? I'd definitely be interesting in Exeter/Durham/Bristol too but I really don't have a clue how I'll do this year so wouldn't want to shoot too high.
I'm sorry that happened to you, it's a horrible situation to be in. I was the opposite tbh, I got offers for everywhere I wanted to go to and it made me work harder but I still fell short and didnt get into my firm in the end.

Nottingham did ask for the LNAT which is why all the people who missed Durham got in as Durham wanted the LNAT so they had done it already.

I feel like out of the three you mentioned, exeter will be the easiest to get an offer from. It's harder to call between Durham and Bristol though. I got a Durham offer of AAA and missed it because I got A*AB and I had previously applied to Bristol but withdrew my application and I was kicking myself because there was a chance that I would've got a contextual offer and I would've insured it and I'd be there right now. I'm reapplying to Bristol but I'm also applying to Sheffield for Law with Chinese Law, Exeter QMUL, and Nottingham. I actually think that it's way harder applying with achieved grades than predicted tbh
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I cant blame anybody else though really. It was a combination of working hard in year 12, achieving good grades in the mocks and being promised predicted grades (promised a predicted A in politics if a high B was achieved) to then only being predicted a B despite just missing it and getting As/high Bs all year which then led to me not getting those offers. At that point I didn't really bother trying as much/doubting uni as a whole and just got distracted really. In your case however achieving A*AB is still a massive achievement - many RGs would happily take you but I'm sorry about missing Durham. I'd be very proud with those though.

With the grades I got last year, I essentially have to gamble on adjustment because none of the unis mentioned here would even consider me lol. I know I can definitely achieve the grades I need though, especially now I'm only doing two A levels. Are you retaking this year, or just reapplying? and if you don't mind me asking, what A levels did you study?
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I cant blame anybody else though really. It was a combination of working hard in year 12, achieving good grades in the mocks and being promised predicted grades (promised a predicted A in politics if a high B was achieved) to then only being predicted a B despite just missing it and getting As/high Bs all year which then led to me not getting those offers. At that point I didn't really bother trying as much/doubting uni as a whole and just got distracted really. In your case however achieving A*AB is still a massive achievement - many RGs would happily take you but I'm sorry about missing Durham. I'd be very proud with those though.

With the grades I got last year, I essentially have to gamble on adjustment because none of the unis mentioned here would even consider me lol. I know I can definitely achieve the grades I need though, especially now I'm only doing two A levels. Are you retaking this year, or just reapplying? and if you don't mind me asking, what A levels did you study?
I'm not retaking, I was tempted to because of the B grade but I'd have to do it privately and I'm still not guaranteed an A when I retake. I'm spending my gap year reapplying, working and just doing loads of networking and work experience to strengthen my CV for a career in law (also learning to drive and plan to bring whatever car I get for uni which may be complete clownery in the end.)

I did business, politics and english lit. I got A* in business, A in politics and a B in english lit! Private message me! I might be able to help you a lot more.
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