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Glad you found it useful- good luck with your application.

Do remember that it's better to have a strong application later in the cycle than a weak one right at the start, so make sure you have enough school experience etc before applying.
Thank you for the advice 😊

Yes I do have enough experience, I think.

I’ve completed CACHE Level 3 Diploma in Specialist Support for Teaching and Learning in Schools. I’ve done placement in my local primary schools in year 1, 2, 4 and 5 for a year.

I don’t mind doing more volunteer work in primary school, but kind of hard with Covid 😔

I’m doing my MSc this year so that’s my priority aswell!
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Thank you for the advice 😊

Yes I do have enough experience, I think.

I’ve completed CACHE Level 3 Diploma in Specialist Support for Teaching and Learning in Schools. I’ve done placement in my local primary schools in year 1, 2, 4 and 5 for a year.

I don’t mind doing more volunteer work in primary school, but kind of hard with Covid 😔

I’m doing my MSc this year so that’s my priority aswell!
When did you do your diploma? Usually, unis will want experience in the last two years, but they might make an exception this year.

It does sound like you've got plenty of experience though!
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When did you do your diploma? Usually, unis will want experience in the last two years, but they might make an exception this year.

It does sound like you've got plenty of experience though!
Yeah, I understand. Hence why I’m trying to get more current experience 😔

I did my Diploma before I started my undergraduate degree. So, 2017.

I originally wanted to do Primary Education with QTS but then found out I can do PGCE. So, I chose the later route to keep my options open.

Thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it.

I just need to receive my MSc timetable and work my work experience around that if I manage to get it. Due to Covid 😔

I also need to find a part time job lol!
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Yeah, I understand. Hence why I’m trying to get more current experience 😔

I did my Diploma before I started my undergraduate degree. So, 2017.

I originally wanted to do Primary Education with QTS but then found out I can do PGCE. So, I chose the later route to keep my options open.

Thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it.

I just need to receive my MSc timetable and work my work experience around that if I manage to get it. Due to Covid 😔

I also need to find a part time job lol!
It's very tricky. Given the circumstances, experience in 2017 (as you have a lot of it) will probbaly be fine. But talk to unis before you apply. They will likely reassure you.
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It's very tricky. Given the circumstances, experience in 2017 (as you have a lot of it) will probbaly be fine. But talk to unis before you apply. They will likely reassure you.
Thank you, will do 😊
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Hello all and first of all an enormous thank you SarcAndSpark for setting up this FAQ thread. I might have missed something in the FAQ section, but I have a quick question if that's ok? I hope here is appropriate.

If one receives an 'unconditional' offer when it comes to PGCEs, does that mean that the interview is largely a 'formality'? (Not to dismiss its importance, it's still hugely important for first impressions and setting up a good relationship). Or does it mean that the offer is unconditional in regards to grade and yet the interview will still dictate the final outcome.

This might be a better question for individual admissions however I would rather like to ask here first.

Thank you again and in advance,
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Hello all and first of all an enormous thank you SarcAndSpark for setting up this FAQ thread. I might have missed something in the FAQ section, but I have a quick question if that's ok? I hope here is appropriate.

If one receives an 'unconditional' offer when it comes to PGCEs, does that mean that the interview is largely a 'formality'? (Not to dismiss its importance, it's still hugely important for first impressions and setting up a good relationship). Or does it mean that the offer is unconditional in regards to grade and yet the interview will still dictate the final outcome.

This might be a better question for individual admissions however I would rather like to ask here first.

Thank you again and in advance,
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I'm not sure I can help as I've never heard of anyone getting an offer before interview.

It's normal to go to interview and then be given an offer (conditional or unconditional) after that. Unconditional offers are still dependent on your DBS/health check, though, so they can have non-academic conditions attached.

Have you been given an offer before interview, or is it just hypothetical?
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Good Evening SarcAndSpark,

Thank you for your extremely punctual reply!

I have not received any offer (which I'm fine with given that I have been holding off applying until the October applications open). Therefore all hypothetical for now.

Thank you again!
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Good Evening SarcAndSpark,

Thank you for your extremely punctual reply!

I have not received any offer (which I'm fine with given that I have been holding off applying until the October applications open). Therefore all hypothetical for now.

Thank you again!
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The usual process is that you apply, get invited to interview (it's pretty rare not to be, these days for most subjects/ages/stages), then after the interview be given an offer or not. Any conditions of the offer will usually be discussed at interview.

Your interview is a huge part of the application process so you won't get an offer before interviewing.
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Thank you so much for the information. I'll start prepping for that now as best I can. Mostly by reviewing the national curriculum to refresh my knowledge.

Best regards.
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Thank you so much for the information. I'll start prepping for that now as best I can. Mostly by reviewing the national curriculum to refresh my knowledge.

Best regards.
Subject knowledge is important, but experience is even more important. It's very unlikely you'd get school experience right now, but I'd suggest looking for any youth groups/sports clubs etc where you can volunteer with the age group you want to teach!
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Thank you. I spent five years working in a school but fresh experience would certainly good, especially getting some experience of education within the context of Covid and how it's going to shape the future of education. Though you're absolutely correct in saying that might be a challenge. I think I'll reach out to a couple of old contacts for perhaps a week or so shadowing. I've certainly missed the classroom!

All the best.
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Thank you. I spent five years working in a school but fresh experience would certainly good, especially getting some experience of education within the context of Covid and how it's going to shape the future of education. Though you're absolutely correct in saying that might be a challenge. I think I'll reach out to a couple of old contacts for perhaps a week or so shadowing. I've certainly missed the classroom!

All the best.
How recently was this?

5 years experience is obviously great, but recent experience is valued a lot too.

I think it's very unlikely that a responsible school will allow extra adults on site at the moment, though.
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Good morning and apologies for the delayed reply!

My experience ended immediately prior to the start of my degree, therefore as of the interview process, approx. 2.5 years ago. However, I did participate in "PAL" - Peer Assisted Learning whilst at University, but it was experience outside of the secondary school age range in addition to being incredibly part-time (1hr 'facilitating' and 30min planning per week) so probably not as relevant.

I was only ever planning on working as a T.A for a year but ultimately fell in love with the job. It was an absolutely incredible experience getting to help and assist students either with AEN or without and see them grow as people and finally fly the nest and pursue their goals and dreams. Add in the incredible team we had which possessed a real can-do attitude towards all students and it was nothing short of life changing in terms of my perspective about working in education and becoming a teacher!

Best regards.
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Good morning and apologies for the delayed reply!

My experience ended immediately prior to the start of my degree, therefore as of the interview process, approx. 2.5 years ago. However, I did participate in "PAL" - Peer Assisted Learning whilst at University, but it was experience outside of the secondary school age range in addition to being incredibly part-time (1hr 'facilitating' and 30min planning per week) so probably not as relevant.

I was only ever planning on working as a T.A for a year but ultimately fell in love with the job. It was an absolutely incredible experience getting to help and assist students either with AEN or without and see them grow as people and finally fly the nest and pursue their goals and dreams. Add in the incredible team we had which possessed a real can-do attitude towards all students and it was nothing short of life changing in terms of my perspective about working in education and becoming a teacher!

Best regards.
I'm currently tutoring year 11 pupils that have fallen behind because of Covid. Maybe you could do something similar?

Either way you have a lot more experience than I do haha, I'm sure you'll be just fine with your applications.

Does anyone know what exactly will show up on the enhanced DBS check? I have a mental health condition and while I'm perfectly fit to teach I'm worried it might put schools and unis off.
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I'm currently tutoring year 11 pupils that have fallen behind because of Covid. Maybe you could do something similar?

Either way you have a lot more experience than I do haha, I'm sure you'll be just fine with your applications.

Does anyone know what exactly will show up on the enhanced DBS check? I have a mental health condition and while I'm perfectly fit to teach I'm worried it might put schools and unis off.
Thank you so much for the kind words Nicalibres, they are much appreciated! Tutoring students is an excellent idea and certainly something for me to consider.

In regards to your question about enhanced DBS. It's unlikely that mental health conditions will come up unless you have had any direct interactions with police because of it and anything shared with your doctor remains confidential with very few exceptions. At least, that's the interpretation I gleaned from this website: https://clearcheck.co.uk/mental-health-dbs/ But best to take it with a pinch of salt until smarter folks than I can get back to you with a waterproof answer.

Best regards and best of luck for your teaching applications!
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Thank you so much for the kind words Nicalibres, they are much appreciated! Tutoring students is an excellent idea and certainly something for me to consider.

In regards to your question about enhanced DBS. It's unlikely that mental health conditions will come up unless you have had any direct interactions with police because of it and anything shared with your doctor remains confidential with very few exceptions. At least, that's the interpretation I gleaned from this website: https://clearcheck.co.uk/mental-health-dbs/ But best to take it with a pinch of salt until smarter folks than I can get back to you with a waterproof answer.

Best regards and best of luck for your teaching applications!
You're welcome, I'm always happy to help. Tutoring isn't exactly classroom experience but it sounds like you've got plenty of that anyway! How are you going about picking unis to apply to? There are just so many courses out there.

Thank you for looking that up, that's what I read too. I should be ok then.

Cheers, you too - I hope it all goes well for you and you get a place on a course that suits you.
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In regards to University selection it has mostly been about the type and number of schools they will send you to. So I've picked Cambridge because according to what I read, they like to place you in a minimum of three different schools throughout the PGCE course. Moreover, it did mention about them aiming at non-selective state schools, which is very much my background as a student and as a teaching assistant.

I think having that wide range of experiences would really benefit me in the long run given my five years were within one school. Nevertheless it was great as I saw several head teachers come and ago, with the last one utterly transforming the school and its behaviour policy, it was a night and day difference. In the long run I'd certainly like to attend schools and help set up similar policies to help teachers teach, and most importantly, for the students to learn. Given the competitive nature of history teaching jobs, every little helps!

I've got Exeter and Durham as solid backups and hopefully will be able to get my foot in the door for one of these establishments.

How about you? What merits have you been judging the courses on?

Best regards.
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In regards to University selection it has mostly been about the type and number of schools they will send you to. So I've picked Cambridge because according to what I read, they like to place you in a minimum of three different schools throughout the PGCE course. Moreover, it did mention about them aiming at non-selective state schools, which is very much my background as a student and as a teaching assistant.

I think having that wide range of experiences would really benefit me in the long run given my five years were within one school. Nevertheless it was great as I saw several head teachers come and ago, with the last one utterly transforming the school and its behaviour policy, it was a night and day difference. In the long run I'd certainly like to attend schools and help set up similar policies to help teachers teach, and most importantly, for the students to learn. Given the competitive nature of history teaching jobs, every little helps!

I've got Exeter and Durham as solid backups and hopefully will be able to get my foot in the door for one of these establishments.

How about you? What merits have you been judging the courses on?

Best regards.
Those are great choices, nice!

I don't think I'll be a competitive applicant - I've yet to complete my BA but I'm looking at a 2.2 or low 2.1 and I don't have a lot of experience. My top choice is Bristol, both because of the course and the city. I'm not sure where else I'll apply, maybe Sheffield or Birmingham. There's so much to consider and a lot of people end up living in the area they did their PGCE so I want to pick a place that suits me. I've also got a boyfriend looking to do a masters and ideally we want to end up at the same uni. He likes Durham and York so I'm looking into those as well.

Teaching at non-selective state schools is what I want to do too, I grew up in a disadvantaged part of London and while I did pretty ok for myself I saw so many of my classmates' potential go to waste because we didn't have the right teachers and resources.
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Those are great choices, nice!

I don't think I'll be a competitive applicant - I've yet to complete my BA but I'm looking at a 2.2 or low 2.1 and I don't have a lot of experience. My top choice is Bristol, both because of the course and the city. I'm not sure where else I'll apply, maybe Sheffield or Birmingham. There's so much to consider and a lot of people end up living in the area they did their PGCE so I want to pick a place that suits me. I've also got a boyfriend looking to do a masters and ideally we want to end up at the same uni. He likes Durham and York so I'm looking into those as well.

Teaching at non-selective state schools is what I want to do too, I grew up in a disadvantaged part of London and while I did pretty ok for myself I saw so many of my classmates' potential go to waste because we didn't have the right teachers and resources.
Sorry for the delay, I was on the phone with "get into teaching" and I'm not sure if you've contacted them but they're fantastic! I just had a really reassuring conversation (the imposter syndrome within me is running overtime for some reason, though I know a lot of teachers suffer with it when they return to the class after a while so maybe it's a good sign ahaha)!

If you don't mind me asking, which subject are you hoping to teach? (Maybe i'm stupid and missed it above). I think you still sound competitive to me, regardless of degree classification, you have independently sought out experiences of working with children and have been tutoring them. If I was an application advisor, I'd say that you have shown more initiative than I have when it comes to recent experience! Don't knock yourself! I know it's easy to do as I do it daily but in this case do as I say and not as I do ahaha.

I didn't consider the idea of living where one does their PGCE, that's a good point and something I should likewise consider! One interesting thing the get into teaching advisor (who was superb) pointed out was the importance of checking that a PGCE course comes with QTS to be able to teach at seconday. I had assumed that this was almost by default but now I'll have to read up on that to be certain.

You're absolutely right about the education system. It's so hit or miss when it comes to empowering students to reach their potential. I had the weird experience where after middle school most of my peers went to the grammar schools whilst I went to the local comp. The differences were night and day. I remember one of them being disappointed with BBB at A level, which for me, would have been an incredible set of grades. Luckily I remain in contact with several of them, who have taken up teaching, and they have kindly offered to help me out. But education certainly has a long way before it can be described as meritocratic. Sorry, I was saving that soapbox comment for the interview stage ahaha!

Best regards!
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