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Sorry for the delay, I was on the phone with "get into teaching" and I'm not sure if you've contacted them but they're fantastic! I just had a really reassuring conversation (the imposter syndrome within me is running overtime for some reason, though I know a lot of teachers suffer with it when they return to the class after a while so maybe it's a good sign ahaha)!

If you don't mind me asking, which subject are you hoping to teach? (Maybe i'm stupid and missed it above). I think you still sound competitive to me, regardless of degree classification, you have independently sought out experiences of working with children and have been tutoring them. If I was an application advisor, I'd say that you have shown more initiative than I have when it comes to recent experience! Don't knock yourself! I know it's easy to do as I do it daily but in this case do as I say and not as I do ahaha.

I didn't consider the idea of living where one does their PGCE, that's a good point and something I should likewise consider! One interesting thing the get into teaching advisor (who was superb) pointed out was the importance of checking that a PGCE course comes with QTS to be able to teach at seconday. I had assumed that this was almost by default but now I'll have to read up on that to be certain.

You're absolutely right about the education system. It's so hit or miss when it comes to empowering students to reach their potential. I had the weird experience where after middle school most of my peers went to the grammar schools whilst I went to the local comp. The differences were night and day. I remember one of them being disappointed with BBB at A level, which for me, would have been an incredible set of grades. Luckily I remain in contact with several of them, who have taken up teaching, and they have kindly offered to help me out. But education certainly has a long way before it can be described as meritocratic. Sorry, I was saving that soapbox comment for the interview stage ahaha!

Best regards!
That's alright, I'm only just reading this now anyway. I haven't contacted get into teaching yet but I just might do so later - are you looking to apply sooner or are you waiting a bit longer?

English! Not as competitive as history I think, but not as in-demand as maths and sciences either. I'd like to teach 16-18 too so I'm looking for PGCE courses that would allow me to do that. I think most courses do come with QTS but it's always best to check.

My thoughts exactly, I have good GCSEs but my A levels just aren't it (I've got to say that's not just down to my school - I was going through some stuff at the time) so that feels like additional pressure to do well at uni. It's lovely you know a few people - most of my mates laugh at me when I say I want to go into teaching!
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So, it’s that time of year again when lots of people are starting their PGCE applications. I was in this position two years ago, and it’s a pretty confusing process, so I thought I’d try to put together an FAQ for applicants.

I only applied for PGCE courses, so this may be a bit PGCE specific, but some advice should also apply to SCITT/Schools Direct courses. Teach First is a bit different!



If you’ve been through the process and have tips of your own, please feel free to add them to the thread!



Before you apply:

How do I choose which route is right for me?

All the routes have different pros and cons.

PGCEs tend to suit people who want the academic side, maybe who are interested in doing a masters in the future. You do get the advantages of being in a uni environment, and access to support through the uni as well, should you need it. They do have disadvantages, in that you can be placed anywhere, and you can feel like just one of a large number of students. There’s often not much flexibility available.

SCITTs are at the opposite end of the spectrum- very school focused and some can be a bit lacking in academic support (although every SCITT is different). SCITTs can be more flexible- often they are available in areas of the country without large teacher training unis, and some are available part time. You don’t always get a choice about exactly where you are placed, but you should know the rough geographic area. SCITTs are often small and can lack the infrastructure to support you that unis have.

Schools Direct is somewhere in the middle and can be the best of both worlds. You get all the support of the partner uni but know where you are going to be placed for most of the year, and your training is more school focused. However, often there are only a few places available per placement school, so this route can be competitive, even for a shortage subject. You are also stuck with your home school for most of the year, whereas PGCE/SCITT students can sometimes move schools if there is a serious problem.

Teach First is a more controversial route- I know some people who love it, and some people who have hated it. You are very much thrown in the deep end and expected to cope. Personally, I have heard too many horror stories to be comfortable recommending it, even though I do know some people have a great experience!

How do I choose where to apply?

Unless you have a good reason not to, I’d suggest applying to courses in the area you want to work. Networking is important, and so is having a support network around you.

Some people say the course/uni you apply to doesn’t matter, although I have heard a few teachers say that they feel training at a traditional uni with a well-respected teaching program helped their careers. In general, though, where you train doesn’t have a huge impact on employability.

What qualifications do I need?

You need passes at English and Maths GCSE, as well as Science GCSE if you are looking to teach at primary level. There is an equivalency qualification for science, but for English and maths you will need the actual GCSEs.

You’re usually expected to have 3 good A-levels or equivalent. It helps if these are in national curriculum subjects, but this is not essential.

You need a bachelors/undergraduate degree to train to teach in the UK. At the moment, there’s no route for those who don’t have a degree. Most unis will strongly prefer people with 2.2 degree or higher, but it can be possible to train to teach with a third.

Can I train to teach X subject with Y degree?

The best thing to do here is to contact unis. Most unis say at least 50% of your degree modules need to be relevant to the national curriculum of your subject, but they will stretch this for a shortage subject. If you don’t quite meet the 50%, you may be offered a place if you do an SKE (more info on SKEs here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5499798).

If you’re at all unsure, it’s best to contact unis/providers before applying and they will let you know if your degree is suitable or not.

What funding is available for ITT courses?

In England and Wales, for all non-salaried ITT courses, you are entitled to a student loan and tuition fees loan.

If you’re in England and training in a shortage subject, there can be large bursaries available (see here for more details: https://getintoteaching.education.go...acher-training

There are also salaried routes available via schools direct and teach first. Initially, you’re paid an unqualified teacher salary of £17,500 outside London. Don’t forget that you will have to pay tax/national insurance though!



Applying for ITT courses

How do I apply for ITT courses?

For all courses other than Teach First, you apply via UCAS.

Like an undergrad application, you’ll need to list your qualifications and write a personal statement.

Unlike an undergrad application, you’ll need two references. There are some rules about who these references should be from. If you got your degree within the last 5 years, one of these must be from your university. If you’re applying for schools direct, at least one reference should be from an employer. If your reference is from a school that’s employed you, it should come from the head teacher. There are more details about how references work here: https://getintoteaching.education.go...acher-training

When do I apply for ITT courses?

UCAS applications are open now. Applications are done on a rolling basis, so you can apply any time up until the summer (bear in mind you will need to allow time for a DBS to be done before starting the course). Courses close when they are full, so if you are applying for a small SCITT, or schools direct option, it may be best to apply early.

What does a good teaching personal statement look like?

ITT courses are vocational, so your personal statement needs to be a bit different to your undergrad personal statement. Admissions tutors explicitly want to hear about why you want to teach. You should explain why you have chosen the stage of education you have chosen (early years/primary/secondary/further ed) and why you’ve chosen your subject (secondary/further ed).

Your PS should refer back to any work experience you have, especially if it’s with children or young people. It’s no longer required that you get experience in a UK state school before you apply, but if you don’t have lots of work experience, this might be a good idea, as it gives you more to talk about in the PS.

Teachers need good written communication skills, so make sure your PS shows this!



Interviews

What is an ITT interview like?

Normally, you are given a mini-teach task, a discussion task, a written task and you have an individual interview with a university tutor. If the uni wants you to prepare anything in advance, details will be sent with the email inviting you to interview.

What do I wear to interview?

People usually wear what they’d wear to a job interview, or at the very least, something they’d wear that would be suitable to teach. All the men I saw wore at least a shirt and tie with smart trousers and footwear, and most women dressed to a similar level of smartness.

How do I do a good mini teach?

Usually, your mini teach will be for about 5-10 minutes to an audience of other prospective students. If you’re applying to Schools Direct, you may be asked to teach actual school students. You’re usually told whether to treat your audience as pretend students or adults.

I would say the subject of your mini teach is less important than how you present it- although the subject should always be pitched appropriately. You shouldn’t be trying to teach the finer details of protein structure if you’re asked to pitch to KS3 level, for example. Admissions tutors are looking for someone they can imagine standing in front of the class, engaging the kids and getting the attention of the room.

You’ll usually be asked questions after the mini teach, so choose a subject you’re confident in and be prepared to justify your choices.

How do I do well during the discussion task?

Discussion tasks can vary a lot between unis, and not every uni/ITT provider will make you do one. Those who do them say that they are looking for people who actively listen as well as talk. Try to avoid dominating the conversation and try to bring in others who haven’t had much of a chance to speak. Actively respond to the points others are making- even if you disagree, it’s important to show you are being collaborative rather than antagonistic.

What are the written tasks like?

Written tasks also vary from provider to provider. Some are very subject specific and IMO definitely testing your subject knowledge. Others are more open, looking at general issues in education/teaching. These are looking at your standard of writing and might be used to judge whether the uni thinks you will cope with the master’s level element of the course.

What is the individual interview like?

All my individual interviews were quite different- some were definitely going through a list of questions and didn’t want to deviate much. Others felt more like an informal chat. Some asked subject knowledge questions, others didn’t. Some focused very much on “tell me about a time when” type questions.

To prepare I would say:

-Be familiar with the curriculum for your subject/stage.

-Be aware of any current issues/changes in teaching that might affect you.

-Have some examples ready to talk about that cover things like organisation/time management/resilience/leadership/working with young people.

-Know at least the basics of safeguarding (i.e. always pass on a concern, don’t ask leading questions, don’t keep things secret).

-Be able to reflect on your mini teach and written task.

Are there any red flags for interviewers?

Obviously, I don’t interview for ITT courses, so I don’t know all the red flags. However, last year, my tutor did mention a few red flags that might come up in interview.

-Perfectionism. This is something people often mention as a “weakness but not a weakness” in interviews, but for ITT courses, perfectionism can be a real problem. You can’t do everything 100% perfectly all the time, and perfectionism can cause people to burn out.

-A lack of passion for wanting to work with young people. This is the thing that gets a lot of teachers through. If you don’t come across as really wanting to work with your age group, this may be a worry for some admissions tutors.

-Not having much idea of the reality for teachers in the UK at the moment. Teaching is a profession that people are leaving in large numbers. If you don’t come across as being realistic about the demands of the job, ITT tutors may worry about letting you through.

-Lack of resilience/neediness. This might just be my tutor, but resilience is really key for teachers.



Getting an offer

How will I know I have an offer?

It will appear on UCAS, or sometimes the uni will let you know.

When will I get an offer?

Training providers have 40 days from when they first receive your application to make a decision. The 40 days doesn’t include periods when UCAS is closed.

What sort of offers will I get?

Unconditional offer: you’ve got a firm offer of a place on this programme. You’ll only get this if you have met at least all the academic requirements in full. You may still have to meet some non-academic requirements, like a Disclosure and Barring Service check.

Conditional offer: you have an offer of a place on this programme, as long as you meet some conditions. The conditions could include completing an SKE course or passing English or Maths GCSE.

Unsuccessful: your application has been unsuccessful.

How do I reply to an offer?

Once you have all your offers, you have 10 working days to reply to your offers. You must reply to your offers via UCAS track. You can only accept one offer.

What if I don’t get any offers?

It’s pretty rare to be rejected from all your choices when applying to ITT courses, so the first thing to do would be to get feedback from your choices about why they rejected you. If the feedback is something you feel you can fix, and you still want to train to teach, you can apply to other providers one at a time via UCAS. This is known as “apply 2”.
This is super helpful thank you so much for taking the time to do this! 😁 The uni I'm applying to would like 2 weeks school expereince which I am finding super hard to secure understandably with Covid-19, have you got any advice for alternative ways to get expereince at the moment for things I can do to boost my application as my school and youth work expereince is about 7 years out of date 😬
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This is super helpful thank you so much for taking the time to do this! 😁 The uni I'm applying to would like 2 weeks school expereince which I am finding super hard to secure understandably with Covid-19, have you got any advice for alternative ways to get expereince at the moment for things I can do to boost my application as my school and youth work expereince is about 7 years out of date 😬
That information will be outdated, or is 'preferred' experience; it's not a requirement. Universities aren't technically allowed to make school experience a requirement anymore (I learned this an an open day for a university!) and 'not enough school experience' cannot be the only reason to reject an otherwise fine candidate. That said, not having realistic expectations for being what a teacher is like is a valid reason for rejection, which may be linked to lack of experience. However, ESPECIALLY this year, I imagine unis will be very understanding about school experience and lack thereof.

What I'd recommend if you can't get direct school experience is getting involved in clubs with kids outside of school. Which, while not as good as school experience, is a million times better than not having experience with kids at all. Sports coaching, charity work, Scouts, that kind of thing. I'm not sure how much of this is going on right now, but do-it.org can help you look for voluntary places in your area and you can filter it by the types of work you want to do.
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So, it’s that time of year again when lots of people are starting their PGCE applications. I was in this position two years ago, and it’s a pretty confusing process, so I thought I’d try to put together an FAQ for applicants.

I only applied for PGCE courses, so this may be a bit PGCE specific, but some advice should also apply to SCITT/Schools Direct courses. Teach First is a bit different!



If you’ve been through the process and have tips of your own, please feel free to add them to the thread!



Before you apply:

How do I choose which route is right for me?

All the routes have different pros and cons.

PGCEs tend to suit people who want the academic side, maybe who are interested in doing a masters in the future. You do get the advantages of being in a uni environment, and access to support through the uni as well, should you need it. They do have disadvantages, in that you can be placed anywhere, and you can feel like just one of a large number of students. There’s often not much flexibility available.

SCITTs are at the opposite end of the spectrum- very school focused and some can be a bit lacking in academic support (although every SCITT is different). SCITTs can be more flexible- often they are available in areas of the country without large teacher training unis, and some are available part time. You don’t always get a choice about exactly where you are placed, but you should know the rough geographic area. SCITTs are often small and can lack the infrastructure to support you that unis have.

Schools Direct is somewhere in the middle and can be the best of both worlds. You get all the support of the partner uni but know where you are going to be placed for most of the year, and your training is more school focused. However, often there are only a few places available per placement school, so this route can be competitive, even for a shortage subject. You are also stuck with your home school for most of the year, whereas PGCE/SCITT students can sometimes move schools if there is a serious problem.

Teach First is a more controversial route- I know some people who love it, and some people who have hated it. You are very much thrown in the deep end and expected to cope. Personally, I have heard too many horror stories to be comfortable recommending it, even though I do know some people have a great experience!

How do I choose where to apply?

Unless you have a good reason not to, I’d suggest applying to courses in the area you want to work. Networking is important, and so is having a support network around you.

Some people say the course/uni you apply to doesn’t matter, although I have heard a few teachers say that they feel training at a traditional uni with a well-respected teaching program helped their careers. In general, though, where you train doesn’t have a huge impact on employability.

What qualifications do I need?

You need passes at English and Maths GCSE, as well as Science GCSE if you are looking to teach at primary level. There is an equivalency qualification for science, but for English and maths you will need the actual GCSEs.

You’re usually expected to have 3 good A-levels or equivalent. It helps if these are in national curriculum subjects, but this is not essential.

You need a bachelors/undergraduate degree to train to teach in the UK. At the moment, there’s no route for those who don’t have a degree. Most unis will strongly prefer people with 2.2 degree or higher, but it can be possible to train to teach with a third.

Can I train to teach X subject with Y degree?

The best thing to do here is to contact unis. Most unis say at least 50% of your degree modules need to be relevant to the national curriculum of your subject, but they will stretch this for a shortage subject. If you don’t quite meet the 50%, you may be offered a place if you do an SKE (more info on SKEs here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5499798).

If you’re at all unsure, it’s best to contact unis/providers before applying and they will let you know if your degree is suitable or not.

What funding is available for ITT courses?

In England and Wales, for all non-salaried ITT courses, you are entitled to a student loan and tuition fees loan.

If you’re in England and training in a shortage subject, there can be large bursaries available (see here for more details: https://getintoteaching.education.go...acher-training

There are also salaried routes available via schools direct and teach first. Initially, you’re paid an unqualified teacher salary of £17,500 outside London. Don’t forget that you will have to pay tax/national insurance though!



Applying for ITT courses

How do I apply for ITT courses?

For all courses other than Teach First, you apply via UCAS.

Like an undergrad application, you’ll need to list your qualifications and write a personal statement.

Unlike an undergrad application, you’ll need two references. There are some rules about who these references should be from. If you got your degree within the last 5 years, one of these must be from your university. If you’re applying for schools direct, at least one reference should be from an employer. If your reference is from a school that’s employed you, it should come from the head teacher. There are more details about how references work here: https://getintoteaching.education.go...acher-training

When do I apply for ITT courses?

UCAS applications are open now. Applications are done on a rolling basis, so you can apply any time up until the summer (bear in mind you will need to allow time for a DBS to be done before starting the course). Courses close when they are full, so if you are applying for a small SCITT, or schools direct option, it may be best to apply early.

What does a good teaching personal statement look like?

ITT courses are vocational, so your personal statement needs to be a bit different to your undergrad personal statement. Admissions tutors explicitly want to hear about why you want to teach. You should explain why you have chosen the stage of education you have chosen (early years/primary/secondary/further ed) and why you’ve chosen your subject (secondary/further ed).

Your PS should refer back to any work experience you have, especially if it’s with children or young people. It’s no longer required that you get experience in a UK state school before you apply, but if you don’t have lots of work experience, this might be a good idea, as it gives you more to talk about in the PS.

Teachers need good written communication skills, so make sure your PS shows this!



Interviews

What is an ITT interview like?

Normally, you are given a mini-teach task, a discussion task, a written task and you have an individual interview with a university tutor. If the uni wants you to prepare anything in advance, details will be sent with the email inviting you to interview.

What do I wear to interview?

People usually wear what they’d wear to a job interview, or at the very least, something they’d wear that would be suitable to teach. All the men I saw wore at least a shirt and tie with smart trousers and footwear, and most women dressed to a similar level of smartness.

How do I do a good mini teach?

Usually, your mini teach will be for about 5-10 minutes to an audience of other prospective students. If you’re applying to Schools Direct, you may be asked to teach actual school students. You’re usually told whether to treat your audience as pretend students or adults.

I would say the subject of your mini teach is less important than how you present it- although the subject should always be pitched appropriately. You shouldn’t be trying to teach the finer details of protein structure if you’re asked to pitch to KS3 level, for example. Admissions tutors are looking for someone they can imagine standing in front of the class, engaging the kids and getting the attention of the room.

You’ll usually be asked questions after the mini teach, so choose a subject you’re confident in and be prepared to justify your choices.

How do I do well during the discussion task?

Discussion tasks can vary a lot between unis, and not every uni/ITT provider will make you do one. Those who do them say that they are looking for people who actively listen as well as talk. Try to avoid dominating the conversation and try to bring in others who haven’t had much of a chance to speak. Actively respond to the points others are making- even if you disagree, it’s important to show you are being collaborative rather than antagonistic.

What are the written tasks like?

Written tasks also vary from provider to provider. Some are very subject specific and IMO definitely testing your subject knowledge. Others are more open, looking at general issues in education/teaching. These are looking at your standard of writing and might be used to judge whether the uni thinks you will cope with the master’s level element of the course.

What is the individual interview like?

All my individual interviews were quite different- some were definitely going through a list of questions and didn’t want to deviate much. Others felt more like an informal chat. Some asked subject knowledge questions, others didn’t. Some focused very much on “tell me about a time when” type questions.

To prepare I would say:

-Be familiar with the curriculum for your subject/stage.

-Be aware of any current issues/changes in teaching that might affect you.

-Have some examples ready to talk about that cover things like organisation/time management/resilience/leadership/working with young people.

-Know at least the basics of safeguarding (i.e. always pass on a concern, don’t ask leading questions, don’t keep things secret).

-Be able to reflect on your mini teach and written task.

Are there any red flags for interviewers?

Obviously, I don’t interview for ITT courses, so I don’t know all the red flags. However, last year, my tutor did mention a few red flags that might come up in interview.

-Perfectionism. This is something people often mention as a “weakness but not a weakness” in interviews, but for ITT courses, perfectionism can be a real problem. You can’t do everything 100% perfectly all the time, and perfectionism can cause people to burn out.

-A lack of passion for wanting to work with young people. This is the thing that gets a lot of teachers through. If you don’t come across as really wanting to work with your age group, this may be a worry for some admissions tutors.

-Not having much idea of the reality for teachers in the UK at the moment. Teaching is a profession that people are leaving in large numbers. If you don’t come across as being realistic about the demands of the job, ITT tutors may worry about letting you through.

-Lack of resilience/neediness. This might just be my tutor, but resilience is really key for teachers.



Getting an offer

How will I know I have an offer?

It will appear on UCAS, or sometimes the uni will let you know.

When will I get an offer?

Training providers have 40 days from when they first receive your application to make a decision. The 40 days doesn’t include periods when UCAS is closed.

What sort of offers will I get?

Unconditional offer: you’ve got a firm offer of a place on this programme. You’ll only get this if you have met at least all the academic requirements in full. You may still have to meet some non-academic requirements, like a Disclosure and Barring Service check.

Conditional offer: you have an offer of a place on this programme, as long as you meet some conditions. The conditions could include completing an SKE course or passing English or Maths GCSE.

Unsuccessful: your application has been unsuccessful.

How do I reply to an offer?

Once you have all your offers, you have 10 working days to reply to your offers. You must reply to your offers via UCAS track. You can only accept one offer.

What if I don’t get any offers?

It’s pretty rare to be rejected from all your choices when applying to ITT courses, so the first thing to do would be to get feedback from your choices about why they rejected you. If the feedback is something you feel you can fix, and you still want to train to teach, you can apply to other providers one at a time via UCAS. This is known as “apply 2”.
Hello, I have finished my personal statement. My get into teaching advisor has checked it 3 times, it's all ready to be sent off.

Any advice on what I can include in my personal statement, just in case if I've missed anything?

Also the university's I'm applying to arrange the placement in primary school, but I am worried it may be too far. Could I find a placement myself in a local primary school? Will they accept this?

I've done placements before in my local primary school, when I was at secondary school and during my level 3 diploma.

Thank you
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What I'd recommend if you can't get direct school experience is getting involved in clubs with kids outside of school. Which, while not as good as school experience, is a million times better than not having experience with kids at all. Sports coaching, charity work, Scouts, that kind of thing. I'm not sure how much of this is going on right now, but do-it.org can help you look for voluntary places in your area and you can filter it by the types of work you want to do.
I find the equation of classroom experience/shadowing a teacher with volunteer work a bit non-nonsensical (what you describe is basically what the teaching providers have told me to do). I want to be a teacher and not a Scouts leader, so I don't know what the one thing has to do with the other; yes, both activities involve children, but the setting surely is completely different. Hence, I find the idea of doing random volunteer work just for the sake of writing a teaching application rather tedious...
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I find the equation of classroom experience/shadowing a teacher with volunteer work a bit non-nonsensical (what you describe is basically what the teaching providers have told me to do). I want to be a teacher and not a Scouts leader, so I don't know what the one thing has to do with the other; yes, both activities involve children, but the setting surely is completely different. Hence, I find the idea of doing random volunteer work just for the sake of writing a teaching application rather tedious...
I agree, I don’t think experience necessarily matters for teaching. As they’re in demand - especially secondary schools! Primary not so much.

Especially with Covid, I doubt they’ll care about experience.

Just passion and sell yourself on personal statement!

What I would recommend is getting into teaching, contact them and they’ll give you a teacher training advisor. They’ll help you with personal statement, interview and application process - all for free!

I have a teaching training advisor and she’s amazing!! She’s checked my personal statement 3 times, it’s all perfect and ready to submit for next month.

She’s also said not to worry about interview etc, just to send her what the uni wants me to do and she will help me. Like, she will send me stuff to help me with the interview etc and give advice.

She also gave me her phone number to contact on WhatsApp. I’m really impressed with her!

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I find the equation of classroom experience/shadowing a teacher with volunteer work a bit non-nonsensical (what you describe is basically what the teaching providers have told me to do). I want to be a teacher and not a Scouts leader, so I don't know what the one thing has to do with the other; yes, both activities involve children, but the setting surely is completely different. Hence, I find the idea of doing random volunteer work just for the sake of writing a teaching application rather tedious...
Oh, I agree. I think it's more about showing that you're serious about going into teaching and you're willing to do a little work to show it. Also, anything that can make your application stand out a bit from others. However, you can use your degree and other work to show transferable skills if you feel like volunteering with kids 'for the sake of it' is a waste of time. If I were in your position, and I had the time, I would be doing some volunteering, but I can totally understand if you feel like your time would be better spent elsewhere.

I agree with the person above who says to get advice from a Get Into Teaching advisor. They're teachers and will have more understanding about what's going on with applications now. This is a really weird year and things that would've applied in the past- experience being highly recommended while not being a requirement- may well not apply now.
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Hello, I have finished my personal statement. My get into teaching advisor has checked it 3 times, it's all ready to be sent off.

Any advice on what I can include in my personal statement, just in case if I've missed anything?

Also the university's I'm applying to arrange the placement in primary school, but I am worried it may be too far. Could I find a placement myself in a local primary school? Will they accept this?

I've done placements before in my local primary school, when I was at secondary school and during my level 3 diploma.

Thank you
The key thing to do is to talk about your experience and skills, and how you can apply this to teaching. It's also important to show enthusiasm for your age group and teaching in general. I'm sure your advisor has mentioned all of this, though!

If you're talking about your actual teaching placements, your uni will arrange these and you won't be able to pick and choose. If it's just a short placement before the course starts, they may be open to you arranging your own. If you want to know where you'll be placed, it's better to apply to schools direct courses.
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I find the equation of classroom experience/shadowing a teacher with volunteer work a bit non-nonsensical (what you describe is basically what the teaching providers have told me to do). I want to be a teacher and not a Scouts leader, so I don't know what the one thing has to do with the other; yes, both activities involve children, but the setting surely is completely different. Hence, I find the idea of doing random volunteer work just for the sake of writing a teaching application rather tedious...
It's about showing commitment, and showing you have experience with and knowledge of the age group you want to teach. There's a lot that transfers between both settings.

If you find this tedious- and it's not a requirement but it will help your application- then you're going to hate the PGCE. There's a lot of jumping through hoops involved.
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The key thing to do is to talk about your experience and skills, and how you can apply this to teaching. It's also important to show enthusiasm for your age group and teaching in general. I'm sure your advisor has mentioned all of this, though!

If you're talking about your actual teaching placements, your uni will arrange these and you won't be able to pick and choose. If it's just a short placement before the course starts, they may be open to you arranging your own. If you want to know where you'll be placed, it's better to apply to schools direct courses.
Yeah she has, she said it's good. I have specified the age group I have chosen and why, based on my CACHE Level 3 Diploma and school placement I've completed in year 1, 2, 4 and 5. Tried to display and enthusiasm, I have mentioned the skills I've gained and what I've learnt from the class teacher. I have mentioned safeguarding and what I did during my placement, how it will help me become a good primary school teacher.

Just need to get applying next month. I have references sorted from my university.

Ah okay, it's fine. Depending on how far the primary school is, I'll just get a car!
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Yeah she has, she said it's good. I have specified the age group I have chosen and why, based on my CACHE Level 3 Diploma and school placement I've completed in year 1, 2, 4 and 5. Tried to display and enthusiasm, I have mentioned the skills I've gained and what I've learnt from the class teacher. I have mentioned safeguarding and what I did during my placement, how it will help me become a good primary school teacher.

Just need to get applying next month. I have references sorted from my university.

Ah okay, it's fine. Depending on how far the primary school is, I'll just get a car!
Yeah, I would definitely suggest getting a car for your PGCE- I know it's a big expense, but it'll make your life a lot easier.
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Yeah, I would definitely suggest getting a car for your PGCE- I know it's a big expense, but it'll make your life a lot easier.
Yeah I understand, makes sense aswell. Hopefully parking won’t be much of an issue!
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It's about showing commitment, and showing you have experience with and knowledge of the age group you want to teach. There's a lot that transfers between both settings.

If you find this tedious- and it's not a requirement but it will help your application- then you're going to hate the PGCE. There's a lot of jumping through hoops involved.
I'll gladly jump through any hoops if they make sense (tbh in the end I'll jump through any hoops but will complain about it on the internet...).

If it's really "experience with the age group" that they want, then I'm not sure that some weeks of shadowing a teacher can accomplish that - and all of the providers for the PGDE that I have looked at stressed that "just volunteering" wasn't enough; only classroom experience was really relevant experience. The volte face that any experience is suddenly better than no experience hasn't really made my life easier, because sorting out, committing, and taking part in proper volunteering takes somewhat more of an effort than organising a few weeks of classroom shadowing experience (which would have been quite straightforward without covid). Plus, the former doesn't tell me anything about teaching as a profession.
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I'll gladly jump through any hoops if they make sense (tbh in the end I'll jump through any hoops but will complain about it on the internet...).

If it's really "experience with the age group" that they want, then I'm not sure that some weeks of shadowing a teacher can accomplish that - and all of the providers for the PGDE that I have looked at stressed that "just volunteering" wasn't enough; only classroom experience was really relevant experience. The volte face that any experience is suddenly better than no experience hasn't really made my life easier, because sorting out, committing, and taking part in proper volunteering takes somewhat more of an effort than organising a few weeks of classroom shadowing experience (which would have been quite straightforward without covid). Plus, the former doesn't tell me anything about teaching as a profession.
A week or so in a state school tells you what a state school and teaching as job is like. It means you aren't going in blind, as well.

Long term volunteering with young people shows commitment to your age group and helps you develop communication and relationship building skills.

Both have always been valued by ITT providers, but school experience used to be a requirement for some providers. It does seem like the communication hasn't been great though, so it might be worth considering whether they would be supportive during your ITT course.
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Hi , Thanks for creating this thread it has been super helpful for me. I am applying for a PGCE at a university in london from sep 21. Can i ask since you have completed a PGCE - have you enjoyed the process and if you have any tips for the applications? Thanks in advance! - Aimee
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Hi , Thanks for creating this thread it has been super helpful for me. I am applying for a PGCE at a university in london from sep 21. Can i ask since you have completed a PGCE - have you enjoyed the process and if you have any tips for the applications? Thanks in advance! - Aimee
Get in touch with get into teaching, they will give you a teaching advisor who will help you with your application, personal statement and interview etc. All for FREE! Good luck 😊
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Get in touch with get into teaching, they will give you a teaching advisor who will help you with your application, personal statement and interview etc. All for FREE! Good luck 😊
Thanks for the tip! I am currently awaiting an email from my advisor - will be so handy to have one just to get more of an idea what to include on the personal statement. I know in october you can only apply for 3 uni's - how are you choosing them? It's kind of hard to understand the differences in the courses for me
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Thanks for the tip! I am currently awaiting an email from my advisor - will be so handy to have one just to get more of an idea what to include on the personal statement. I know in october you can only apply for 3 uni's - how are you choosing them? It's kind of hard to understand the differences in the courses for me
There’s PGCE, Schools Direct (non salaried and salaried) and Teach First etc personally I prefer the PGCE route.

I’m planing on applying to local university’s near me for the PGCE Primary (5-11) course. They will find placement for me. I also heard with PGCE you can teach internationally, but if you do School Direct route you can’t as you just get QTS not PGCE.

With PGCE I get that and the QTS.

Also since I’m going local university, I’m most likely to get placement in local primary school (not guaranteed of course) but.. Yeah!

This year I’m doing my MSc, next year PGCE and I’ll be done ✔️

I may do PhD in future, but not just yet...
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Hi , Thanks for creating this thread it has been super helpful for me. I am applying for a PGCE at a university in london from sep 21. Can i ask since you have completed a PGCE - have you enjoyed the process and if you have any tips for the applications? Thanks in advance! - Aimee
Enjoyed would be a strong word for it, but I enjoy teaching now.

What subject/age group are you applying for?

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a get into teaching advisor- some of the advice I have seen from them is a bit suspect, but they can help with school experience in normal years.
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There’s PGCE, Schools Direct (non salaried and salaried) and Teach First etc personally I prefer the PGCE route.

I’m planing on applying to local university’s near me for the PGCE Primary (5-11) course. They will find placement for me. I also heard with PGCE you can teach internationally, but if you do School Direct route you can’t as you just get QTS not PGCE.

With PGCE I get that and the QTS.

Also since I’m going local university, I’m most likely to get placement in local primary school (not guaranteed of course) but.. Yeah!

This year I’m doing my MSc, next year PGCE and I’ll be done ✔️

I may do PhD in future, but not just yet...
Just to clarify, it is possible to get a PGCE on most schools direct courses. It's also possible to teach in some countries without a PGCE.

Most unis place students up to an hour away these days.

I appreciate you're trying to help, but it's important to make sure the information you're sharing is correct.
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Enjoyed would be a strong word for it, but I enjoy teaching now.

What subject/age group are you applying for?

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a get into teaching advisor- some of the advice I have seen from them is a bit suspect, but they can help with school experience in normal years.
Hi thanks for your response! Can you say what aspects you didn't enjoy? Was it related to the course itself? I am curious as to what type of assignments you submit during a PGCE? Were you supported when submitting?

I am applying for seconary languages - spanish and maybe also french as they want 2 languages ideally. I did spanish and portuguese for my degree and french to a-level so i'm having to re study for that prior to interviews to make sure my knowledge is up to scratch as funding for SEK's have ceased

Everyone i've spoken to has recommended an advisor so i'm getting in touch with one today as i've already scheduled a call. Figured it can't hurt to have further advice on personal statements etc but i won't rely on only their advice and can have other teacher friends to help me out too luckily
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