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i am very angry as to why pharmacists are payeed so badly. 1st they have a more serious and demanding if not equal roles and responsibilities to a dentists, and yet they are paid in the 100k bracket where as pharmacist are paid in 30k racket. pharmacists are now getting more roles and responisilities such as checking blood pressure and taking blood to test for diabetes yet their wage is tooo low. I think its about time they get an increase in salary, in my opinion after 2 - 4 years experiance they should be automatically on 60k - 70k , with maximum reaching 90k for consultants. For a 4 year degree, which needs alot of regular reserch, high risk roles and responisibilities hey should increase the wage to what i stated above. im not saying lower the wage down for dentists im saying they should not be far of from their wage, its ridiculous paying a salary of 100k+ to occupations which mostly remove teeth., cleen, polish, whiten, etc. whereas the pharmacists have much more serous roles an responsibilities. And the fact the supermarket chains are allowed to built pharmacists in their supermarkets is absolutley ridiculous, the supermarkets aruining the economy , and ruining the lives and carreers of local grocerries, small shops, pharmacists, soon GP's and optometrists, by making an all in one wonder type of supermarket. by doing this it would be extremely difficult and pointless to compete with them as you would be in a no win situation, as patients would see a doctor at the supermarket, get their groceries and by perscribed medications at the same place, therefore eliminating the need for local pharmacists and GPs. Someone has to step in as they are making it very difficult for us.

im especially angry as i like and am very interested in pharmacy, howevver the wage i think is notreally practical and does fit with the huge risks and responsibilities the pharmacists carry, and what makes it more difficult is the huge rising costs (i.e fuel) would totally mes things up. You probly thinking im going after money and its wrong, however you may be correct to a certain degree however i like the profession, which helps to maintain a healthly life for patients and lookin after the health and well being of patients, however you have to be pratical, becuase you need money, which in return will be used to take care of yourself and your family, giving them a comfortable life. you cant be double standard and say look after the public health and well being and when it comes to your family you go all cheapskate, you have to giv alot (patient care) there you equally have to take alot (money, and satisfaction), inorder to keep a healthy balance.

sorry to bore u, i hope you agree, but i may be wrong (or greedy) so comments will be apprecitated.

sorry in advance about the spelling mistakes you may come across.
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lol i raised this the other night when david cameron came to our town, and in his words he said "hard luck"
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toff born with a spoon in his a$$ (referring to cameron)
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I agree but nothing can really be done about it.
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if its too badly paid, don't go into it. The market solves, dentists are more valued. Frankly, I agree. You know who else can check blood pressure/diabetes - anyone with very little training.
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It's all about Supply and Demand!
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All pharmacists should go on strike, then we'll see how they'll manage without them.
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Personally, I think a pharmacist ranks in between a nurse and a doctor, so the pay's about right. I also think that doctors and dentists are paid too much - they should do it for the love of helping other people, not the £80k+ pay. Of course it's lot of stress, but that's part of the job - no wonder the NHS is in such a mess with the new pay deals doctors have demanded yet working fewer hours using up so much money, when nurses can't get a decent wage. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to do medicine (because the pay's excessive - yes, I may be a bit mental...) and I'm going into pharmacology instead - research pay's similar to pharmacy, I believe, and discovering new drugs will benefit people (and yes I know the problems with drug affordability and profiteering big pharma companies, but don't get me started on that, I'll probably do pure research instead of applied). Why are humans so motivated by greed rather than altruism? Then again, I have no intention of having a family, so I won't have anyone to support or consider apart from myself fiscally, so I can't really comment on the family aspect - though surely it's possible to support a family on £30-40k a year? (Depending on where you live of course, more may be necessary in London). My family get by on far less that that, but then I am an only child.
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It's all about Supply and Demand!
Yeah there is demand for us:rolleyes:
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Personally, I think a pharmacist ranks in between a nurse and a doctor, so the pay's about right. I also think that doctors and dentists are paid too much - they should do it for the love of helping other people, not the £80k+ pay. Of course it's lot of stress, but that's part of the job - no wonder the NHS is in such a mess with the new pay deals doctors have demanded yet working fewer hours using up so much money, when nurses can't get a decent wage. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to do medicine (because the pay's excessive - yes, I may be a bit mental...) and I'm going into pharmacology instead - research pay's similar to pharmacy, I believe, and discovering new drugs will benefit people (and yes I know the problems with drug affordability and profiteering big pharma companies, but don't get me started on that, I'll probably do pure research instead of applied). Why are humans so motivated by greed rather than altruism? Then again, I have no intention of having a family, so I won't have anyone to support or consider apart from myself fiscally, so I can't really comment on the family aspect - though surely it's possible to support a family on £30-40k a year? (Depending on where you live of course, more may be necessary in London). My family get by on far less that that, but then I am an only child.
Sorry but being a nurse is a poor job. Secondly, pharmacology itself is a poor degree in many people's eyes, there is no specific job for it and it isn't a 'skilled' job like a pharmacist, dentist etc.

Are pharmacists paid that bad anyway, maybe in the UK but not anywhere else in Europe where some are paid more than dentists.
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if its too badly paid, don't go into it. The market solves, dentists are more valued. Frankly, I agree. You know who else can check blood pressure/diabetes - anyone with very little training.
Yeah but who can give advice- people with training.
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hi,

i am very angry as to why pharmacists are payeed so badly. 1st they have a more serious and demanding if not equal roles and responsibilities to a dentists, and yet they are paid in the 100k bracket where as pharmacist are paid in 30k racket. pharmacists are now getting more roles and responisilities such as checking blood pressure and taking blood to test for diabetes yet their wage is tooo low. I think its about time they get an increase in salary, in my opinion after 2 - 4 years experiance they should be automatically on 60k - 70k , with maximum reaching 90k for consultants. For a 4 year degree, which needs alot of regular reserch, high risk roles and responisibilities hey should increase the wage to what i stated above. im not saying lower the wage down for dentists im saying they should not be far of from their wage, its ridiculous paying a salary of 100k+ to occupations which mostly remove teeth., cleen, polish, whiten, etc. whereas the pharmacists have much more serous roles an responsibilities. And the fact the supermarket chains are allowed to built pharmacists in their supermarkets is absolutley ridiculous, the supermarkets aruining the economy , and ruining the lives and carreers of local grocerries, small shops, pharmacists, soon GP's and optometrists, by making an all in one wonder type of supermarket. by doing this it would be extremely difficult and pointless to compete with them as you would be in a no win situation, as patients would see a doctor at the supermarket, get their groceries and by perscribed medications at the same place, therefore eliminating the need for local pharmacists and GPs. Someone has to step in as they are making it very difficult for us.

im especially angry as i like and am very interested in pharmacy, howevver the wage i think is notreally practical and does fit with the huge risks and responsibilities the pharmacists carry, and what makes it more difficult is the huge rising costs (i.e fuel) would totally mes things up. You probly thinking im going after money and its wrong, however you may be correct to a certain degree however i like the profession, which helps to maintain a healthly life for patients and lookin after the health and well being of patients, however you have to be pratical, becuase you need money, which in return will be used to take care of yourself and your family, giving them a comfortable life. you cant be double standard and say look after the public health and well being and when it comes to your family you go all cheapskate, you have to giv alot (patient care) there you equally have to take alot (money, and satisfaction), inorder to keep a healthy balance.

sorry to bore u, i hope you agree, but i may be wrong (or greedy) so comments will be apprecitated.

sorry in advance about the spelling mistakes you may come across.
So basically, you are saying the public would prefer to visit an in-store pharmacy but you want to stop that because its not convinient for you. Doesn't sound like a great attitude for someone serving the public...
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Yeah but who can give advice- people with training.
and they are compensated for their knowledge, the market thinks adequately. I would give much better advice then them about anything to do with asthma.
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and they are compensated for their knowledge, the market thinks adequately. I would give much better advice then them about anything to do with asthma.
and how would you know, go on then name me the drugs which can be used and what dosage each patient would be needed to be catered for.

My opinion is that the public opinion of pharmacy and general understanding is dreadful in this country.
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and how would you know, go on then name me the drugs which can be used and what dosage each patient would be needed to be catered for.

My opinion is that the public opinion of pharmacy and general understanding is dreadful in this country.
Give me symptoms, give me age, give me allergies. This post is nothing sort of rhetoric. More importantly having had asthma for my entire life, having studied up on it and now self treating the woeful advice I received from pharmacists here (who wouldn't even sell me a Ventolin inhaler at the AIRPORT when I lost mine during dreadful Heathrow security for the flight - because apparently its dangerous (I know the rates and tbh this excuse should make glue prescription) and which was perhaps one of the worst calls i've ever seen made gives me even less faith of their abilities).

If the opinion of the public is so low, and so far from the truth fewer people would become pharmacists. If the rewards did not meet the cost then there would a shortage. Deal with it, don't become a pharmacist if its too lowly paid. Worse still the OP suggests restricting consumers options to give pharmacists better bargaining power - if their use is so great then this wouldn't be a problem.
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30k to work 9-5 and count tablets.
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30k to work 9-5 and count tablets.
your last gem blinks 0-o. Wow )_)
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30k to work 9-5 and count tablets.
Pharmacists do a lot more than that, they have to have knowledge of all prescription drugs and check the prescribed dosages, give advice to patients and explain how the drugs work. They make up some drugs, although this is a smaller part of their job as many drugs do now come pre-packaged, and have to dispense and destroy controlled substances such as methadone and diamorphine (heroin). They also have to know about drug action (how the drugs work) and contraindications (how some drugs can interfere with the effects of others, either dampening or reinforcing their effects).
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Pharmacists do a lot more than that, they have to have knowledge of all prescription drugs and check the prescribed dosages, give advice to patients and explain how the drugs work. They make up some drugs, although this is a smaller part of their job as many drugs do now come pre-packaged, and have to dispense and destroy controlled substances such as methadone and diamorphine (heroin). They also have to know about drug action (how the drugs work) and contraindications (how some drugs can interfere with the effects of others, either dampening or reinforcing their effects).
Oh, but their job is so boring!
(I know, I've worked in a pharmacy)
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There is an excess now of pharmacy graduates than is needed. Yet the UK is still in need of dentists and GPs.

If you look at the entry requirements and difficulty to get into the courses, the order from hardest to the least hard goes medicine, dentistry, pharmacy. Not saying that pharmacy is easy or not worthwhile at all – just it’s easy to get into than dentistry, deemed to be not as tough and is therefore the pay is less.

Unfortunately there are many underpaid professions in modern society but I don’t see anybody offering more money to those groups so it’s likely to stay that way. Notable examples are nurses and teachers.
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