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Also I said it is a Japanese car because this car is essentially the same as the Citroen C1 and Toyota Aygo just a different badge.
It's not a Japanese car. Your logic is nonsensical.

It's built in the Czech Republic, designed by PSA. Toyota just have an agreement to rebrand a car for the European market.
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It's not a Japanese car. Your logic is nonsensical.

It's built in the Czech Republic, designed by PSA. Toyota just have an agreement to rebrand a car for the European market.
Pretty sure the Aygo was also built in the Czech Republic, alongside the C1 too
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Pretty sure the Aygo was also built in the Czech Republic, alongside the C1 too
Yes.. all three are as per the agreement..
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It's not a Japanese car. Your logic is nonsensical.

It's built in the Czech Republic, designed by PSA. Toyota just have an agreement to rebrand a car for the European market.
You know what I was getting at. It was hardly nonsensical.

Regardless, the 1KR-FE engine is from a subsidiary of Toyota. Maybe the engine is assembled in another country but it is a Japanese design.
Edit a quick Google shows the engine is built in Poland and Japan.

In case my point is missed. The 'infamous' french unreliability is not a issue you here. The same 1 litre engine is used in the Toyota as in the Peugeot.
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Yes.. all three are as per the agreement..
So all three cars are pretty similar since they share a lot of the same parts. It’s not a japanese car but you can understand why he would say that
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So all three cars are pretty similar since they share a lot of the same parts. It’s not a japanese car but you can understand why he would say that
No, I can't. It's not a Japanese car.

(Original post by adam271)
You know what I was getting at. It was hardly nonsensical.

Regardless, the 1KR-FE engine is from a subsidiary of Toyota. Maybe the engine is assembled in another country but it is a Japanese design.
Edit a quick Google shows the engine is built in Poland and Japan.

In case my point is missed. The 'infamous' french unreliability is not a issue you here. The same 1 litre engine is used in the Toyota as in the Peugeot.
Engine maybe, but the electronics? Good luck.
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No, I can't. It's not a Japanese car.


Engine maybe, but the electronics? Good luck.
You’re being a bit pedantic here.
They share bodyshell, engines, gearbox, suspension, dashboard, windscreen, steering wheel, seats, 7in touch screen, front doors, glass boot lid. Only the finishing design touches differ. Hardly nonsensical to say it’s the essentially the same as an Aygo!
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I retract my point about it being Japanese and will just say it has Japanese reliablity.
It's not your typical Peugeot.
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I retract my point about it being Japanese and will just say it has Japanese reliablity.
It's not your typical Peugeot.
Out of curiosity, What car do you have?
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So why would I buy a 108 over a Audi Diesel?
Lower emissions so pay less tax
Newer 15 years newer in fact.
Very simple engine that is not going to go wrong
more reliable.
(Should be cheaper to insure)
I think they look nicer
Better for the environment

Annual road tax on the 2002 Audi A2 1.4 TDi is £30. From the websites I've seen, that's over £100 cheaper than a Peugeot 108.

The Audi A2 1.4 TDi has a good reputation for reliability. It's a simple lightweight car from a premium brand at a time when they were at their prime for build quality. The A2 won't rust. The Peugeot will - eventually.
The 108 is assembled in the Czech Republic. It is not assembled in Japan.

You say that a £1000 17 year old Audi A2 is a money pit waiting to happen. For starters that extremely unlikely to be true. Servicing and repair costs over 5 years are likely to be similar to a brand new Peugeot 108 as we're talking independent specialist for the Audi vs main dealer for the Peugeot.

And even if you were extremely unlucky with the Audi, and had a really unlucky big bill failure, you'd only be looking at an additional expense of £1000. As you could buy another Audi A2 and send the one you bought to the scrap yard.
Whereas with the Peugeot 108, you've got a huge black hole of a money pit up front due to the huge cost of buying the thing.
Spending a huge amount of money to save a much smaller amount of money does not make sense.

Better for the environment? Swings and roundabouts. The Audi A2 does better mpg.
Also, the energy used to make a car is about the same as the energy used in petrol or diesel over its lifetime.
There's a relatively high chance that any new driver will have their car written off in the first 2 years of driving. Writing off a new or nearly new car will result in the car having made a huge impact on the environment - per year of its life.

Looks are entirely subjective.
Cars are a tool. For getting from A to B.

The wisest car owners are the ones that treat cars as tools and not as status symbols.
Which is why I would never own an Aston Martin. They aren't very good tools for getting from A to B. But they are great status symbols.
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You’re being a bit pedantic here.
They share bodyshell, engines, gearbox, suspension, dashboard, windscreen, steering wheel, seats, 7in touch screen, front doors, glass boot lid. Only the finishing design touches differ. Hardly nonsensical to say it’s the essentially the same as an Aygo!
That's not what he said. He said it was Japanese. It is not. Nor is the Aygo.
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That's not what he said. He said it was Japanese. It is not. Nor is the Aygo.
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Annual road tax on the 2002 Audi A2 1.4 TDi is £30. From the websites I've seen, that's over £100 cheaper than a Peugeot 108.

The Audi A2 1.4 TDi has a good reputation for reliability. It's a simple lightweight car from a premium brand at a time when they were at their prime for build quality. The A2 won't rust. The Peugeot will - eventually.
The 108 is assembled in the Czech Republic. It is not assembled in Japan.

You say that a £1000 17 year old Audi A2 is a money pit waiting to happen. For starters that extremely unlikely to be true. Servicing and repair costs over 5 years are likely to be similar to a brand new Peugeot 108 as we're talking independent specialist for the Audi vs main dealer for the Peugeot.

And even if you were extremely unlucky with the Audi, and had a really unlucky big bill failure, you'd only be looking at an additional expense of £1000. As you could buy another Audi A2 and send the one you bought to the scrap yard.
Whereas with the Peugeot 108, you've got a huge black hole of a money pit up front due to the huge cost of buying the thing.
Spending a huge amount of money to save a much smaller amount of money does not make sense.

Better for the environment? Swings and roundabouts. The Audi A2 does better mpg.
Also, the energy used to make a car is about the same as the energy used in petrol or diesel over its lifetime.
There's a relatively high chance that any new driver will have their car written off in the first 2 years of driving. Writing off a new or nearly new car will result in the car having made a huge impact on the environment - per year of its life.

Looks are entirely subjective.
Cars are a tool. For getting from A to B.

The wisest car owners are the ones that treat cars as tools and not as status symbols.
Which is why I would never own an Aston Martin. They aren't very good tools for getting from A to B. But they are great status symbols.
I think it’s the brand new ones that have higher tax, but mine is 0. I believe the older models (2005 to 2014) have £20 tax.

I’m glad you said that looks are subjective. Not everyone wants to be driving around in a 17 year old car, irrespective of whether it’s their first car or not. New cars generally come with warranty too so I doubt that servicing and repair costs will be the same
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As a first car, any 17 plate car of any make and model would be a massive mistake for anyone that's not a Premier League football star.

Financial black hole.

Does the 108 do 60 real world mpg and does it come with leather seats, aircon, sunroof and cruise control?
Not true, my first car was basically brand new (ex-demonstrator) and I didn't pay more than £850ish for my first insurance premium.
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Which is why I would never own an Aston Martin. They aren't very good tools for getting from A to B. But they are great status symbols.
This rather depends on where A and B are. If A and B are located either ends of dirt tracks and unmade roads, then I agree. If they're located either end of a motorway, I can assure you that you are mistaken.
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Not true, my first car was basically brand new (ex-demonstrator) and I didn't pay more than £850ish for my first insurance premium.
And how much did you pay to buy, or lease the car? How many thousands of pounds?

That's where the financial black hole is, sucking all your student funds. The purchase price.

You can't say that a car is not a financial black hole, just because one aspect of the cost of owning it and running it isn't too bad. You have to look at the total cost of everything:

Purchase price (depreciation plus loss of interest from not having the money invested elsewhere)
Insurance
Road tax
Fuel
Servicing including tyre costs
Repairs
MOT
Road tolls
Upgrade or customization costs (optional)
Breakdown cover (optional)
Parking costs
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And how much did you pay to buy, or lease the car? How many thousands of pounds?

That's where the financial black hole is, sucking all your student funds. The purchase price.

You can't say that a car is not a financial black hole, just because one aspect of the cost of owning it and running it isn't too bad. You have to look at the total cost of everything:

Purchase price (depreciation plus loss of interest from not having the money invested elsewhere)
Insurance
Road tax
Fuel
Servicing including tyre costs
Repairs
MOT
Road tolls
Upgrade or customization costs (optional)
Breakdown cover (optional)
Parking costs
If people can afford to buy/lease/finance and maintain a newer car, why do YOU have a problem with it?
I’m guessing you have an 2002 Audi A2?
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I think it’s the brand new ones that have higher tax, but mine is 0. I believe the older models (2005 to 2014) have £20 tax.

I’m glad you said that looks are subjective. Not everyone wants to be driving around in a 17 year old car, irrespective of whether it’s their first car or not. New cars generally come with warranty too so I doubt that servicing and repair costs will be the same
In order to maintain the warranty, do you get the car serviced at a main dealer?

Main dealers have higher overheads than independent specialists or doing it yourself. The prices reflect this. The cost of a service at a main dealer is about the same as the cost of a service plus a repair at an independent specialist.

Plus tyres are not covered by warranty. Nor is accident damage.

On looks. My friend didn't want to be driving round in a girly looking Audi A2. I managed to talk him round and get him to use his head instead of his heart. 3 days into his ownership and he's saying how it's easier to drive than his instructor's Peugeot and his previous instructor's Mercedes (they had sharp on off clutches and brakes whilst the Audi's are more progressive). He's also saying how much he loves the Audi.

My apologies on the road tax. You are right, the latest 108's do have £30 a year cheaper road tax than a 2002 A2 1.4 TDi. That cost is insignificant compared to the purchase price of the 2 cars.
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This rather depends on where A and B are. If A and B are located either ends of dirt tracks and unmade roads, then I agree. If they're located either end of a motorway, I can assure you that you are mistaken.
The Aston that I was a passenger in, had relatively uncomfortable seats - compared to those you'll find in Volvos.

That Aston would also be stopping for fuel every 300 to 350 miles.

Plus the Aston was effectively a car for 2 adults only. And no good for lugging a fridge and not much room for holiday luggage or for helping a student move digs.

And above all, the cost per mile of any Aston is astronomical. A tool is not a good one if it's sucking such a vast amount of money from your wallet as an Aston Martin. Cars from this brand are, however, great status symbols.
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In order to maintain the warranty, do you get the car serviced at a main dealer?

Main dealers have higher overheads than independent specialists or doing it yourself. The prices reflect this. The cost of a service at a main dealer is about the same as the cost of a service plus a repair at an independent specialist.

Plus tyres are not covered by warranty. Nor is accident damage.

On looks. My friend didn't want to be driving round in a girly looking Audi A2. I managed to talk him round and get him to use his head instead of his heart. 3 days into his ownership and he's saying how it's easier to drive than his instructor's Peugeot and his previous instructor's Mercedes (they had sharp on off clutches and brakes whilst the Audi's are more progressive). He's also saying how much he loves the Audi.

My apologies on the road tax. You are right, the latest 108's do have £30 a year cheaper road tax than a 2002 A2 1.4 TDi. That cost is insignificant compared to the purchase price of the 2 cars.
Haven’t had my car serviced yet, but it will probably be serviced at the dealer I bought it from yes.
That’s wonderful for him. I now find my car easier to drive as I’m used to it.
Well yeah, a newer car is obviously going to cost a lot more than a 2002 car. But I didn’t want something that would be likely to break down or cause me problems that I’d have to pay £££ to fix. And I know that if I do have problems with it, I can just take it back to the dealer. I’d much prefer to spend more on the car and less on repairs.
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