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Well ive just made my firm choice for uni the Warwick Mathematics and Economics course and fear that i will not get in because of the hard offer they had.

I am the sort of person that likes to plan for all events but i do not have an insurance choice so im left wondering if clearing will do me any justice.

Well ive decided that i will go for a straight Maths course provided i do not make my offer and Warwick still choose to reject me even after a phone call (and begging them to let me in).

So my question is what kind of unis will have Maths courses in their clearing lists? I think that i got AAAbe-AABbe including an 'A' in Maths A level and a 'b' in further maths AS ('e' in biology AS - not very helpful).

Also, will i be able to call up unis even if their course isnt in the clearing list?

Any advice is appreciated regardless if it is slightly off of my question. I also think that i will go for a london based university but advice on other universities will be taken into consideration if you have any to give.

Thanks in advance.
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Maths Clearing list 2007:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...12&postcount=9

Note that Bath is in there... an extremely good university for Maths. Manchester and Nottingham have also got a very good reputation for Maths.
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Of course you can! You're in a really good position as well, because maths is one of the less subscribed to courses you have lots more choice when it comes to places in clearing.

There are lots of the top 20 that go through the system, so if you play your cards right you could easily end up somewhere you love.

If a course isnt in the clearing list, you probably shouldnt call. There is literally no chance you will get an offer as there will be no spaces left, otherwise they would have entered the course into clearing in the first place.
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What about economics?
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Of course you can! You're in a really good position as well, because maths is one of the less subscribed to courses you have lots more choice when it comes to places in clearing.

There are lots of the top 20 that go through the system, so if you play your cards right you could easily end up somewhere you love.

If a course isnt in the clearing list, you probably shouldnt call. There is literally no chance you will get an offer as there will be no spaces left, otherwise they would have entered the course into clearing in the first place.
On the contrary.

Back in 2006 I just missed out on my offer for medicine as they wanted an A Chemistry and I was one mark short. I was left without a place at medical school and was all set to go to LSOP to study Pharmacy. I wasn't keen on this even though I put it as my insurance because they told me that because I put them as an insurance, I couldn't apply for accommodation in halls.

I decided to phone round to local universities including University of Manchester which is quite good for Pharmacy. I explained the situation I was in having just missed out on my place at medical school but holding the grades (exceeding) for Pharmacy. At first they were saying that all their places were full because they had been oversubscribed but the Admissions Tutor took my details etc. and said he would let me know if anything came up but to not raise my hopes.

Less than 24 hours later, I got an email from Manchester saying they were prepared to take me on the course despite the fact I hadn't applied to them previously.

Whilst they had not advertised their vacancy through clearing, it goes to show that with a bit of phoning around and a little bit of luck, it is possible to get into a good university for the course you want to do through clearing. Although there are some exceptions to this rule; Medicine, Dentistry, Vet Sci, Oxbridge, Law and Economics at certain universities, some courses at Imperial and LSE etc.

After all that however, I ended up quitting Pharmacy after 5 months as I got a place at medical school elsewhere in the UK and this had been my first choice all along.

Whilst it was never my first choice of course/career path, I was still able to get into one of the best universities for Pharmacy and just by making a phone call with my results in hand.

Damn I've rambled on again
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What about economics?
Id prefer maths over economics, and since there wont be many joint courses available, doing maths seems to put me in a better position.
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On the contrary.

Back in 2006 I just missed out on my offer for medicine as they wanted an A Chemistry and I was one mark short. I was left without a place at medical school and was all set to go to LSOP to study Pharmacy. I wasn't keen on this even though I put it as my insurance because they told me that because I put them as an insurance, I couldn't apply for accommodation in halls.

I decided to phone round to local universities including University of Manchester which is quite good for Pharmacy. I explained the situation I was in having just missed out on my place at medical school but holding the grades (exceeding) for Pharmacy. At first they were saying that all their places were full because they had been oversubscribed but the Admissions Tutor took my details etc. and said he would let me know if anything came up but to not raise my hopes.

Less than 24 hours later, I got an email from Manchester saying they were prepared to take me on the course despite the fact I hadn't applied to them previously.

Whilst they had not advertised their vacancy through clearing, it goes to show that with a bit of phoning around and a little bit of luck, it is possible to get into a good university for the course you want to do through clearing. Although there are some exceptions to this rule; Medicine, Dentistry, Vet Sci, Oxbridge, Law and Economics at certain universities, some courses at Imperial and LSE etc.

After all that however, I ended up quitting Pharmacy after 5 months as I got a place at medical school elsewhere in the UK and this had been my first choice all along.

Whilst it was never my first choice of course/career path, I was still able to get into one of the best universities for Pharmacy and just by making a phone call with my results in hand.

Damn I've rambled on again
Thanks for the encouraging words. I think i will also attempt to call the local universities if im in a good enough position with my grades and i still dont get into warwick.
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Thanks for the encouraging words. I think i will also attempt to call the local universities if im in a good enough position with my grades and i still dont get into warwick.
Oh yeah. I can't stress enough how important it is to get the grades (or exceed them) as this would significantly improve your chances of getting into a top university for your course through clearing. Without the grades they won't even let you finish what you're saying before they say "No".
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Oh yeah. I can't stress enough how important it is to get the grades (or exceed them) as this would significantly improve your chances of getting into a top university for your course through clearing. Without the grades they won't even let you finish what you're saying before they say "No".
hah, i think i should be in an okay position though. i guess we'll see on results day. What do i do with my personal statement though? most of it is economics and i am only going to be applying for straight maths through clearing.
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Yes you can. Example scenario, you could apply for a top uni and not make the grade yet another also top uni who you fulfill their requirements have a space because someone didn't get their requirements like you and therefore you get their space.
It's all about being prepared because clearing is a first come first serve basis and there will be thousands of people calling too so you just have to try and be as quick as possible because every minute more spaces are going.

But yes it is possible, it happened to my friend But for my other friend who was too busy being sad and regretful, she missed out on the good places and is at a not so good uni.

Just be prepared for if you need to go through clearing. Have a internet access and a phone at the ready

Oh and paper
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hah, i think i should be in an okay position though. i guess we'll see on results day. What do i do with my personal statement though? most of it is economics and i am only going to be applying for straight maths through clearing.
They'd probably ask you to send in another personal statement relevant to Mathematics alongside your Economics one, so it might be a wise idea to prepare one.

I know that when I was going for Pharmacy I had to send in an additional personal statement geared towards the subject alongside the Medicine personal statement.
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I would always advise to ring up and and ask a university's admissions team for a definitive answer about if they have places. It is true that some institutions rarely enter Clearing, and some courses are always heavily over subscribed. You might want to think about what is most important for you - the course or the university.
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I would always advise to ring up and and ask a university's admissions team for a definitive answer about if they have places. It is true that some institutions rarely enter Clearing, and some courses are always heavily over subscribed. You might want to think about what is most important for you - the course or the university.

The two go hand in hand. I mean for Pharmacy the best places tend be the ones with ABB grade requirements and I think the top rated ones are King's, LSOP, Bath, Nottingham and Manchester. You could study Pharmacy at places like Wolverhamton or DMU with CCC but that reflects the quality of the course and I think those universities have recently been stripped of the right to award Pharmacy degrees?

For courses like Medicine and Dentistry, it wouldn't really matter where you went as they all ask for pretty much the same grades so you'd be stupid to decline a place on the basis of not being particularly fond of the city the medical school is in. As it happens Medicine and Dentistry places rarely if ever appear in clearing so that won't be an issue to consider.
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On the contrary.

Back in 2006 I just missed out on my offer for medicine as they wanted an A Chemistry and I was one mark short. I was left without a place at medical school and was all set to go to LSOP to study Pharmacy. I wasn't keen on this even though I put it as my insurance because they told me that because I put them as an insurance, I couldn't apply for accommodation in halls.

I decided to phone round to local universities including University of Manchester which is quite good for Pharmacy. I explained the situation I was in having just missed out on my place at medical school but holding the grades (exceeding) for Pharmacy. At first they were saying that all their places were full because they had been oversubscribed but the Admissions Tutor took my details etc. and said he would let me know if anything came up but to not raise my hopes.

Less than 24 hours later, I got an email from Manchester saying they were prepared to take me on the course despite the fact I hadn't applied to them previously.

Whilst they had not advertised their vacancy through clearing, it goes to show that with a bit of phoning around and a little bit of luck, it is possible to get into a good university for the course you want to do through clearing. Although there are some exceptions to this rule; Medicine, Dentistry, Vet Sci, Oxbridge, Law and Economics at certain universities, some courses at Imperial and LSE etc.

After all that however, I ended up quitting Pharmacy after 5 months as I got a place at medical school elsewhere in the UK and this had been my first choice all along.

Whilst it was never my first choice of course/career path, I was still able to get into one of the best universities for Pharmacy and just by making a phone call with my results in hand.

Damn I've rambled on again
Just one question, im wondering how you got that med. place after 5 months ?
did they call back ? or you went after it after 5 months ??
id appreciate if you can explain . thnx.
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You can get into good universities through clearing but not for every course.

If you are decided on what course you want to do then you will have very little choice. It is true that Bath et al came up in 2007 but it doesn't happen every year.

If you are doing Maths/Economics and want to switch to straight maths then your university will almost certainly let you make this switch
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Just one question, im wondering how you got that med. place after 5 months ?
did they call back ? or you went after it after 5 months ??
id appreciate if you can explain . thnx.
I already had the A-level grades for Medicine and so made an application through UCAS to places which were willing to consider me given the fact I had already started a Pharmacy course. I had my interview about a month and bit after sending in my application then about a month or two after that I got an offer to study Medicine and so I left.
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I already had the A-level grades for Medicine and so made an application through UCAS to places which were willing to consider me given the fact I had already started a Pharmacy course. I had my interview about a month and bit after sending in my application then about a month or two after that I got an offer to study Medicine and so I left.
Ah i see. Just one more question that crossed my mind here :
Was your Medicine offer for the same year that you started Pharmacy course or was it for the year after ??
I mean did you start the Med course straight away after leaving pharmacy or did u have to take a gap year and start the course in the following year ??
Thanks.
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I would focus on trying to get the best grades you can rather than resigning yourself to the fact that you "won't" get the grades. You still might get them! Don't doubt yourself so much, just try your best. And as the first poster said, yes it is clear that you can get into a good uni through clearing, if it comes to that
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Ah i see. Just one more question that crossed my mind here :
Was your Medicine offer for the same year that you started Pharmacy course or was it for the year after ??
I mean did you start the Med course straight away after leaving pharmacy or did u have to take a gap year and start the course in the following year ??
Thanks.
I began my Pharmacy course in September 2006 which is when I also submitted my UCAS form for Medicine 2007 entry. I left Pharmacy in January 2007 to take up my place at Medical School which didn't begin until September of that year.

It would be near impossible to start Medicine having missed a term's worth of work considering all the relevant teaching, essential clinical skills and experience that would have been missed.

I hope that answers your questions.
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Sounds like it's better/easier going through clearing than applying before/after 15th Jan.
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