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Zoqua
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(Original post by stillcrying)
So they wouldn't respect democracy...
Yeah for some reason that doesn't sit well with me.
You are aware right that the a lot has changed since 2016... The public have had a lot of time to think on the Brexit referendum. Many of the people who voted Brexit have actually died in the interval (which just shows how messed up our voting system is, that 80-90 year olds who will not be affected by the result can vote but us 16 year old's can't), while the number of remainers is growing. The public are now also better informed than they were in 2016, so people now actually understand what they're voting for. In short, the public view has changed since 2016 (so it is no longer undemocratic in that way to revoke).

Sources/evidence for the change in votes:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ould-you-vote/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-full-results
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4257476.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8541971.html
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(Original post by picklejuice2001)
Pls answer without being too biased with your opinion.
i would say green tbh
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(Original post by Zoqua)
You are aware right that the a lot has changed since 2016... The public have had a lot of time to think on the Brexit referendum. Many of the people who voted Brexit have actually died in the interval (which just shows how messed up our voting system is, that 80-90 year olds who will not be affected by the result can vote but us 16 year old's can't), while the number of remainers is growing. The public are now also better informed than they were in 2016, so people now actually understand what they're voting for. In short, the public view has changed since 2016 (so it is no longer undemocratic in that way to revoke).

Sources/evidence for the change in votes:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ould-you-vote/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-full-results
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4257476.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8541971.html
the age point you make is quite ridiculous. the proportions of age are roughly always the same. so there’s a similar proportion of 70 years old today as in 2016, same for 18 year olds. if leave won again, two years later you’d get people who are 16 in 2020, saying ‘my voice wasn’t heard’.

there’s no evidence to suggest remain support is growing, that’s why around or just over 50% of all opinion polls are for leave supporting parties. leavers are more leave than ever, and remainers are more remain than ever, opinions are deepening not wavering.

To say the public’s opinion has changed without much evidence is naive.
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(Original post by Zoqua)
You are aware right that the a lot has changed since 2016... The public have had a lot of time to think on the Brexit referendum. Many of the people who voted Brexit have actually died in the interval (which just shows how messed up our voting system is, that 80-90 year olds who will not be affected by the result can vote but us 16 year old's can't), while the number of remainers is growing. The public are now also better informed than they were in 2016, so people now actually understand what they're voting for. In short, the public view has changed since 2016 (so it is no longer undemocratic in that way to revoke).

Sources/evidence for the change in votes:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ould-you-vote/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-full-results
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4257476.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8541971.html
Those who voted leave are perhaps of the older generation but they therefore have more experience with how a country should conduct itself. I highly doubt 16 year olds would know that. People will always say the public was lied to if they don't agree with the result and they should deal with that. If you think only the leave side lied, I suggest you look at the exaggeration of issues resulting from Brexit that the remain side are portraying.
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(Original post by Zoqua)
You are aware right that the a lot has changed since 2016... The public have had a lot of time to think on the Brexit referendum. Many of the people who voted Brexit have actually died in the interval (which just shows how messed up our voting system is, that 80-90 year olds who will not be affected by the result can vote but us 16 year old's can't), while the number of remainers is growing. The public are now also better informed than they were in 2016, so people now actually understand what they're voting for. In short, the public view has changed since 2016 (so it is no longer undemocratic in that way to revoke).

Sources/evidence for the change in votes:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...ould-you-vote/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-full-results
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4257476.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8541971.html
You can't know the public has changed their mind. Was I asked? No. That's why polls are always wrong. I could argue that the leave support is stronger, there are remainers who still believe in democracy (e.g. Piers Morgan) and therefore would want the referendum result to actually be carried out - but I can't know can I?

It's actually shocking that the government can hold a referendum, then say: doesn't matter how you vote, we were never going to leave in the first place. Then we claim to be not as corrupt as places like Russia...
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People thinking Farage's Brexit Party are all about the working class may be surprised to hear about his treatment of working class potential candidates for this election. Nick Cohen writes:

"Then there is the revealing game Farage has played with Brexit party members, which shows how little he thinks of them. He persuaded at least 3,000 to apply to become parliamentary candidates and charged them £100 apiece for the privilege. Yet when the candidates were announced, there were many of the same faces from Farage’s Ukip days or Fox’s Revolutionary Communist turned Reactionary Chauvinist party. Otto English of the Byline Times, who covered the story, received private emails from working-class hopefuls who said they were told to campaign in byelections to “increase your chances of being selected”. When they got there, no one took their names. Straight afterwards, they received a “you have not been selected” mass email."
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eem-to-like-it
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You like this smear Bear, don't you. I suppose the fact that pretty much anyone buying a house within the North Circular Road has a good chance of being a 'millionaire', at least on paper, is irrelevant to you?
Corbyn grew up in rurality and went to a fee paying prep school before he got his non job with the union and became a professional activist. In terms of background he’s more ‘privileged’ than Gove, Patel, Raab and Javid. Abbot, McDonnell and Watson are the normal folk in background (though again non-jobs).

Thornburry is interesting in that it sounds like her parents were at least middle class if not outright privileged but she must have been a wild child because she did poorly in education, actually did a few proper menial jobs and then became a barrister later on.
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Corbyn grew up in rurality and went to a fee paying prep school before he got his non job with the union and became a professional activist. In terms of background he’s more ‘privileged’ than Gove, Patel, Raab and Javid. Abbot, McDonnell and Watson are the normal folk in background (though again non-jobs).

Thornburry is interesting in that it sounds like her parents were at least middle class if not outright privileged but she must have been a wild child because she did poorly in education, actually did a few proper menial jobs and then became a barrister later on.
Her father was a real sh... He was a law don at LSE who ran off with another woman and left the family in grinding poverty. Thornbury went to live with him at 15 having fallen out with her mother, but her father then ran off again to New York and a senior job with the UN leaving Emily to fend for herself in London aged 17.

Her husband was educated at Radley. He was one of the donors for their very smart concert hall.
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(Original post by satsun)
Some would say the Brexit Party.
Its somewhat of a stretch to call that entity a real party as opposed to a single issue pressure group, literally its name.
(Original post by satsun)
There’s no doubt, Farage attracts working class, northern voters, just look at the EU elections. He attracts many Labour voters who are disillusioned with the two main parties. To call them clueless could be seen as snobbish and naive.
Given that the 'parties' leadership is almost unilaterally a bunch of rich tosspots i find this amusing. Either way, i'd refer you to my prior comment on the matter.
Equally, on your last comment, theres not actually any proof he's going to take any serious gains at expense of labour.
Why would it be 'snobbish and naive' though?
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