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So I grew up in a very Labour central household. But I don't love some parts of the Labour party and I think their taxing can ruin the economy and may drive up unemployment. Saying that, I would NEVER vote Tory. They are just too privileged as they've had immaculate education from Eton to Oxford, they don't care about the NHS, or schools, or poor people. Is anyone else in the same position and they don't know who to vote for?
Also, I voted remain for Brexit!
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the only way to break out of the current poltiical deadlock, is if people collectivly say **** you to the idea its just a choice between two.

That's what they are selling you, because it bennifits them, not you. Even if they loose, they still mantain their possition as one of the two main parties, if they convince you that they are the only two options.

Its partly our voting systems fault, but its also peoples fault for buying into it. There are many many parties - vote for one you actually support, not just one of the main two. Its like a lot of collective actions, it means nothing if you just do it - but if we all do, then change can happen.

Look at your local candidates once they are declared, and then see what each is offering. Maybe you have a smaller party that you actually agree with more.. Maybe you have a local indipendant who is standing up for your area etc. Find who you agree with and give them your vote.
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(Original post by xx1t35)
So I grew up in a very Labour central household. But I don't love some parts of the Labour party and I think their taxing can ruin the economy and may drive up unemployment. Saying that, I would NEVER vote Tory. They are just too privileged as they've had immaculate education from Eton to Oxford, they don't care about the NHS, or schools, or poor people. Is anyone else in the same position and they don't know who to vote for?
Also, I voted remain for Brexit!
In fairness to the tories on that;
Labour is little better when it comes to their back grounds, its essentially a prerequisite for politicians.
It would seem slightly unfair though to judge them on something they had no say over i.e. the Public schooling of them.
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I'm in the same dilemma as you. I do not want to vote Tory or Labour but my constituency us either Labour or Tory. Our current Tory MP has held her post since 2005 but recently Labour have gotten really close, they shared over 90% of the votes in 2017. So if I vote for a different party, I'm basically throwing away my vote.
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I'm in the same dilemma as you. I do not want to vote Tory or Labour but my constituency us either Labour or Tory. Our current Tory MP has held her post since 2005 but recently Labour have gotten really close, they shared over 90% of the votes in 2017. So if I vote for a different party, I'm basically throwing away my vote.
I disagree, no vote is a wasted one.
In 2015 I voted for UKIP purely on the basis that I wish to leave the EU and have been opposed to it since it's political birth, the party did not win in my constituency but as we know the votes for UKIP that year were heard loud and clear.
A protest vote can count even if it has no actual bearing on the final result.
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I disagree, no vote is a wasted one.
In 2015 I voted for UKIP purely on the basis that I wish to leave the EU and have been opposed to it since it's political birth, the party did not win in my constituency but as we know the votes for UKIP that year were heard loud and clear.
A protest vote can count even if it has no actual bearing on the final result.
You voted for a party that was founded on racism?! I get wanting to leave the EU, but voting for a racist party isn't the way to go. Do not vote UKIP- they are racist scum. Simple as.
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Vote Lib Dem.
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Or even better, Green.
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(Original post by xx1t35)
So I grew up in a very Labour central household. But I don't love some parts of the Labour party and I think their taxing can ruin the economy and may drive up unemployment. Saying that, I would NEVER vote Tory. They are just too privileged as they've had immaculate education from Eton to Oxford, they don't care about the NHS, or schools, or poor people. Is anyone else in the same position and they don't know who to vote for?
Also, I voted remain for Brexit!
Basically, you need to vote for whichever party will depose the Tories in your constituency. If that is Labour, then vote Labour. Their economic policies will not ruin the economy or drive up unemployment. That is just Tory propaganda.
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Or even better, Green.
I think I'm leaning towards either Lib Dem or Green! I have a question - been so wrapped up in my personal life and disillusionised with politics in the face of Brexit, Lib Dem doesn't have that leader anymore that is against gay marriage right?!
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I think I'm leaning towards either Lib Dem or Green! I have a question - been so wrapped up in my personal life and disillusionised with politics in the face of Brexit, Lib Dem doesn't have that leader anymore that is against gay marriage right?!
No. In fact, Jo Swinson almost always voted for gay marrige in parliment.
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I'm in a similar position except I would never vote Labour and disagree with the latest Brexit deal.
I don't want to see the leader of the opposition living at No 10.
My Remain supporting friends say that they are voting Lib Dem, unless they live in Brighton (Greens).
My Leave supporting friends are pretty much voting on the basis of Deal or No deal- Conservative for the deal, Brexit Party for no deal.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
I'm in a similar position except I would never vote Labour and disagree with the latest Brexit deal.
I don't want to see the leader of the opposition living at No 10.
My Remain supporting friends say that they are voting Lib Dem, unless they live in Brighton (Greens).
My Leave supporting friends are pretty much voting on the basis of Deal or No deal- Conservative for the deal, Brexit Party for no deal.
I would listen to your Remain supporting friends. I think you will find that they are right!
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No. In fact, Jo Swinson almost always voted for gay marrige in parliment.
Okay well that's my vote then!
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Their economic policies will not ruin the economy or drive up unemployment. That is just Tory propaganda.
I disagree with you on that score.
A lot of employers, high earners and staff on zero hours contracts are terrified of the implications of the shadow cabinet getting into government.

I work three jobs; two employers have already announced redundancies and some staff relocation packages overseas if Labour win the election with a majority.
For context; at one workplace most of the partners are on six figure salaries, do their commute on helicopters & planes and are directly involved in at least six tax avoidance schemes at any one time.
Do you really think that they are going to risk sticking around in the UK if Labour win the election with a majority?
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(Original post by londonmyst)
I'm in a similar position except I would never vote Labour and disagree with the latest Brexit deal.
I don't want to see the leader of the opposition living at No 10.
My Remain supporting friends say that they are voting Lib Dem, unless they live in Brighton (Greens).
My Leave supporting friends are pretty much voting on the basis of Deal or No deal- Conservative for the deal, Brexit Party for no deal.
why never??
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You voted for a party that was founded on racism?! I get wanting to leave the EU, but voting for a racist party isn't the way to go. Do not vote UKIP- they are racist scum. Simple as.
I did it once as a protest vote and they were not founded on racism, but admittedly there were some racist elements amongst their numbers at one time.
The point I was trying to make was that there is no such thing as a wasted vote, to protest against the mainstream parties can produce results if enough people do it countrywide.
Also please do not tell people whom they can and cannot vote for, that is a matter for individuals to decide based on how they feel their concerns can best be addressed and at that time voting for UKIP was exactly the way to go as they were never going to win an election.
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why never??
Totally different values, beliefs and priorities.
I have no time for identity politics- whether it is based upon social class, gender, ancestral heritage/race, religious or sexual preferences.
Don't much care for envy politics either.
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Totally different values, beliefs and priorities.
I have no time for identity politics- whether it is based upon social class, gender, ancestral heritage/race, religious or sexual preferences.
Don't much care for envy politics either.
Tories are also hugely into identity politics these days tho, it's not really limited to Labour party activist types.
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No. In fact, Jo Swinson almost always voted for gay marrige in parliment.
Correct, the person in question was Tim Farron.
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