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Tories are also hugely into identity politics these days tho, it's not really limited to Labour party activist types.
Within the Conservatives that element has always been there but tends to be restricted to certain cliques.
Usually religious, military nationalists, supporters of ulster loyalism and fanatical Thatcherites.
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If I lived in a seat where tactical voting would make a difference, I'd check the tactical voting recommendation on polling day and go with whichever candidate had the best chance to deny the seat to the Tories.

I generally dislike tactical voting, but since our electoral system does not have the option to vote in a way which explicitly rejects or counts against any particular candidate/s, tactical voting is the closest thing that I can do to vote in a way which reflects my views and how I feel.
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If I lived in a seat where tactical voting would make a difference, I'd check the tactical voting recommendation on polling day and go with whichever candidate had the best chance to deny the seat to the Tories.

I generally dislike tactical voting, but since our electoral system does not have the option to vote in a way which explicitly rejects or counts against any particular candidate/s, tactical voting is the closest thing that I can do to vote in a way which reflects my views and how I feel.
I can sympathise somewhat with your view, disagree with your reasoning on brexit obviously but there's been times in the past where if there was a box for none of the above on the voting slip I would have put a cross in it.
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I can sympathise somewhat with your view, disagree with your reasoning on brexit obviously but there's been times in the past where if there was a box for none of the above on the voting slip I would have put a cross in it.
I'd welcome a none of the above option, although mainly I find it problematic to have an electoral system in which the importance and relevance of peoples' votes when choosing their government is highly dependent upon geography; seats awarded to candidates who may have only won around a third of their constituents' votes, and most importantly having governments decided by a parliamentary majority without needing a popular majority over 50% across the country. Unfortunately, I think all debate on electoral reform in the UK was comprehensively shut down after the 2011 AV vote.
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I'd welcome a none of the above option, although mainly I find it problematic to have an electoral system in which the importance and relevance of peoples' votes when choosing their government is highly dependent upon geography; seats awarded to candidates who may have only won around a third of their constituents' votes, and most importantly having governments decided by a parliamentary majority without needing a popular majority over 50% across the country. Unfortunately, I think all debate on electoral reform in the UK was comprehensively shut down after the 2011 AV vote.
The argument over the electoral system will go on forever but all the time Conservative and Labour hold the majority in parliament it will not change.
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I work three jobs; two employers have already announced redundancies and some staff relocation packages overseas if Labour win the election with a majority.
OK. Which sector are they in? Which of Labour's proposed economic policies are forcing them to do that?

For context; at one workplace most of the partners are on six figure salaries, do their commute on helicopters & planes and are directly involved in at least six tax avoidance schemes at any one time.
Do you really think that they are going to risk sticking around in the UK if Labour win the election with a majority?
Ah, so your argument is essentially that we shouldn't pursue drug barons and organised crime because they might relocate their operations? Pfft! Good riddance.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
Within the Conservatives that element has always been there but tends to be restricted to certain cliques.
Usually religious, military nationalists, supporters of ulster loyalism and fanatical Thatcherites.
So "the Tory Party" then.
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Vote Lib Dem and stay in the eu
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if there was a box for none of the above on the voting slip I would have put a cross in it.
If you spoil your ballot paper, thats the same thing. Why didn't you just do that?
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The argument over the electoral system will go on forever but all the time Conservative and Labour hold the majority in parliament it will not change.
Wrong. FPTP is "the will of the people".
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I am in the same position. So I vote Green, and have in the past voted Lib Dem if a tactical reason.
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Wrong. FPTP is "the will of the people".
The alternative proposed in 2011 was rejected, though we have a PR system for the devolved Scottish Parliament and the devolved assemblies.
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I did it once as a protest vote and they were not founded on racism, but admittedly there were some racist elements amongst their numbers at one time.
The point I was trying to make was that there is no such thing as a wasted vote, to protest against the mainstream parties can produce results if enough people do it countrywide.
Also please do not tell people whom they can and cannot vote for, that is a matter for individuals to decide based on how they feel their concerns can best be addressed and at that time voting for UKIP was exactly the way to go as they were never going to win an election.
I can tell you not to vote for a racist party that would negatively affect me. They campaigned to get me and my family thrown out of our own country? So yeah. Get off my thread
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I can tell you not to vote for a racist party that would negatively affect me. They campaigned to get me and my family thrown out of our own country? So yeah. Get off my thread
Which particular country did they campaign for you to be returned to?
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Which particular country did they campaign for you to be returned to?
Er, I think that would be "The Republic of Where You Came From".
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So I grew up in a very Labour central household. But I don't love some parts of the Labour party and I think their taxing can ruin the economy and may drive up unemployment. Saying that, I would NEVER vote Tory. They are just too privileged as they've had immaculate education from Eton to Oxford, they don't care about the NHS, or schools, or poor people. Is anyone else in the same position and they don't know who to vote for?
Also, I voted remain for Brexit!
Lib Dems then? I mean they are kind of in the middle
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I can tell you not to vote for a racist party that would negatively affect me. They campaigned to get me and my family thrown out of our own country? So yeah. Get off my thread
Okay I will try again, could you please explain which country they campaigned for you to return to because from my memory there was no campaign by UKIP for anyone to leave the country.
Regardless of that in my case there were no other options for a vote to register my disapproval of our EU membership and without myself, and millions of others doing so we would not have had the referendum in the first place so as far as I'm concerned it was a vote well used.
If you cannot understand the logic of a protest vote for an anti EU party by someone that has been a Eurosceptic for many years then I'm afraid you do not fully grasp the concept of politics, but please do not be so naive as to just write off others legitimate concerns and opinions as a racist act.
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Liberal Democrat’s would probably be your best bet. Socially more liberal than the conservatives, but more moderate on economic policy than Labour. It kind of looks like they’re going to have a fairly good year as well. It’s impossible to find the perfect party that supports all of your preferred policies though. Definitely used to feel like this, kind of drifted between the more liberal parties, but I ultimately settled on Labour, even though I disagree with a lot of their policies, because I disagree with the policies of other parties even more.
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OK. Which sector are they in? Which of Labour's proposed economic policies are forcing them to do that?


Ah, so your argument is essentially that we shouldn't pursue drug barons and organised crime because they might relocate their operations? Pfft! Good riddance.
I was referring to employers that abide by the law and believe that their profitability significantly benefits from legal measures of tax avoidance.
Not organised crime, drug dealers or other criminal elements.
Have you changed your position on illegal narcotics?
Last year you seemed to favour the legalisation of almost all illegal drugs in the uk so long as the supplies were taxable, tested and proven contaminant free.

First one is a law firm specialising in company services, tax advice, high value divorces and alternative dispute resolution.
Second is a publisher that plays every legal manoeuvre under the sun to minimise their costs and ensure that uk located staff are not classified as employees making them liable for sick pay, holiday leave or extra payroll taxes.
You name it they've done it: agency workers, internships, freelancers, independent contractors, zero hours contracts.
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Tories are the lesser of the two evils, long as Corbyn is the Labour leader I will never vote them
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