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But if you do vote you are actively endorsing the status quo.

I'd also argue that voting for something that you dont believe in or someone who doesn't represent your views undermines the very core principles of a democracy.

I of course dont think that but voting should be the only action you take. Politics is bigger than just voting. Make it known that you are unhappy and why. Take direct action.
Not necessarily, if enough people rise up rarther than give up then change is unavoidable. Take the UKIP vote of 2010 - 2015 they did not gain much parliament reputsentation but they changed the status quo.

Voting for something you dont totally believe in does change the status quo, because the main parties morph to regain support.
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there are more than 2 parties but ok
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You will probably not see those things as an issue but I do so that is why I wish for us to leave the EU but to incorrectly shout racist is a weak argument that does not address the point.
Also it's highly offensive to every single person who has genuinely suffered prejudice. What shouting racist where racism does not exist, the result actually makes real racism more likely.
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Don't bother voting.

Your vote is worthless if you don't vote labour or con and libdem has no chance of winning your constituency. You'd have better luck making a difference going outside no. 10 and screaming like a lunatic.

You're essentially wasting your own time and that of the people counting your ballot, because the voting system in this country is broken to protect the interests of tories and labour.
Whilst I do not support them I would point out that if voters, back in the days when Labour won most of Scotland's seats, and before that Conservatives won most, had followed your approach then the SNP would not win seats these days-the idea that politics is a static position is plainly incorrect but if everyone runs around saying x can never win or y can ever win and you all believe them then frankly you are fulfilling that prediction.

I would much prefer you all saw the light and this time voted Lib Dem, but frankly follow what you believe in, whatever that may be, Monster Raving to Brexit Party, do not get swayed by x poll or y poll above all other considerations, if you do then you are not changing society you are following the herd and other people caused that swing that unseated AA and heralded gains for the XX party, not you, you just sat back safely believing that outcomes are carved into the stone beforehand and you had no say.

On the basis of your argument there would today be no Scottish National Party, No Labour Party, No Green Party.............
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How lovely and condenseding. Please let's be factual, civil and respectful to eachother, tolerance is a great thing you dont appear to be showing, let's start again shall we?

Who do you deam to be a racist and how am I defending them?


So you believe that a crass and provocative poster was trying to get you removed from your own country? How so?

Can you detail the UKIP policy that was going to be implemented to negatively effect your life?

Can you tell me what country UKIP wish to deport you too, if this is your country how can you be sent home?
So you're defending UKIP now. Why am I not surprised?
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The problem with illiberal bigotry like you have shown towards me
And now you accuse a young BME person of "bigotry" because they object to the prejudice displayed by other right-wing xenophobes.
You really couldn't make it up!
I bet you think that positive discrimination is racist. The longer you post on here, the more your true colours show.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Also it's highly offensive to every single person who has genuinely suffered prejudice. What shouting racist where racism does not exist, the result actually makes real racism more likely.
The classic response of a racist.
And I guess you are the one to decide whether someone else has suffered racism or not, by using your own right-wing criteria.
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Hi there!
For those who want to tactically vote in order to support remain as an option there's this site I've been using to decide who to vote for called "Get Voting" (https://getvoting.org/?gclid=Cj0KCQi...aAvzREALw_wcB_)
Essentially just put in your postcode and it'll show you your local remain MP, not the best solution I realise but if preventing Brexit is your main interest then this is a way to try and get as many remainers into parliament as possible.
Good luck deciding either way and I hope this helps!
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Whilst I do not support them I would point out that if voters, back in the days when Labour won most of Scotland's seats, and before that Conservatives won most, had followed your approach then the SNP would not win seats these days-the idea that politics is a static position is plainly incorrect but if everyone runs around saying x can never win or y can ever win and you all believe them then frankly you are fulfilling that prediction.

I would much prefer you all saw the light and this time voted Lib Dem, but frankly follow what you believe in, whatever that may be, Monster Raving to Brexit Party, do not get swayed by x poll or y poll above all other considerations, if you do then you are not changing society you are following the herd and other people caused that swing that unseated AA and heralded gains for the XX party, not you, you just sat back safely believing that outcomes are carved into the stone beforehand and you had no say.

On the basis of your argument there would today be no Scottish National Party, No Labour Party, No Green Party.............
Was talking about england.

You are not changing society by voting for a party who has no chance at all of winning your constituency. UKIP got 2 million votes but because of the broken system they didn't get the representation their voters deserved. This had very little actual impact made. Those voters might as well have just stayed home. There is no hope of breaking the two party system with FPTP unless the other two parties fail absolutely phenomenally, an effect you'd hope brexit would have. There needs to be extent of PR.
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I think they make no sense on Brexit. Their plan is not practical at all and I feel like they are refusing to justify it. But I will never vote Tory either. And I will always do my part to keep them away from Westminister. I think this time the Tories will literally do away with the NHS if they get elected. Once we leave the EU, they will absolutely annihilate worker's rights and labour unions. We just need to look back and see what they've done so far. However much I disagree with Labour, I want to protect what little is left of British socialism. I don't hate the Labour party as much as I love our social institutions.
Sadly, I don't think Labour has a chance of winning. People see this election as being about Brexit and they have adopted a very unappealing position. As things stand, I just hope we will be able to get through the damage that they are about to do this country.
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if they have had an immaculate education, surely we want them running the country?
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Was talking about england.

You are not changing society by voting for a party who has no chance at all of winning your constituency. UKIP got 2 million votes but because of the broken system they didn't get the representation their voters deserved. This had very little actual impact made. Those voters might as well have just stayed home. There is no hope of breaking the two party system with FPTP unless the other two parties fail absolutely phenomenally, an effect you'd hope brexit would have. There needs to be extent of PR.
So where did the Labour party come from? I presume prior to the MacDonald first administration they had no chance, if you did not vote Tory or Liberal it was a wasted vote, they could never win; are you sure that was the message in 1924?
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
How lovely and condenseding. Please let's be factual, civil and respectful to eachother, tolerance is a great thing you dont appear to be showing, let's start again shall we?

Who do you deam to be a racist and how am I defending them?


So you believe that a crass and provocative poster was trying to get you removed from your own country? How so?

Can you detail the UKIP policy that was going to be implemented to negatively effect your life?

Can you tell me what country UKIP wish to deport you too, if this is your country how can you be sent home?
Just noticed this, I believe that it is me who is being deemed a racist because I had the temerity to vote for a party that wanted to leave the EU.
I'm afraid this particular poster's view is what has become ingrained into society these days, any kind of dissenting view of what is apparently deemed to be the right opinion is racist, it is quite worrying really as the youth used to be the ones that wanted to break the status quo but now it appears rebelliousness has been outlawed.
Even the "socialists" these days love the corporate heavy, neoliberal EU.
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My parents are voting Lib Dem for the first time.
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I think I'm leaning towards either Lib Dem or Green! I have a question - been so wrapped up in my personal life and disillusionised with politics in the face of Brexit, Lib Dem doesn't have that leader anymore that is against gay marriage right?!
Nope! He left a while back. Now the leader is Jo swinson and overall they have a very good stance on LGBTQ+ issues eg they were the ones who introduced the equal marriage bill while in coalition in 2013
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Whilst I do not support them I would point out that if voters, back in the days when Labour won most of Scotland's seats, and before that Conservatives won most, had followed your approach then the SNP would not win seats these days-the idea that politics is a static position is plainly incorrect but if everyone runs around saying x can never win or y can ever win and you all believe them then frankly you are fulfilling that prediction.

I would much prefer you all saw the light and this time voted Lib Dem, but frankly follow what you believe in, whatever that may be, Monster Raving to Brexit Party, do not get swayed by x poll or y poll above all other considerations, if you do then you are not changing society you are following the herd and other people caused that swing that unseated AA and heralded gains for the XX party, not you, you just sat back safely believing that outcomes are carved into the stone beforehand and you had no say.

On the basis of your argument there would today be no Scottish National Party, No Labour Party, No Green Party.............
Spot on, people must vote because voting is the only way change can occur
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Okay well that's my vote then!
The only way we can defeat Boris and have a people's vote on Brexit is if we vote tactically for whichever Remain party is most likely to win in our constituency. This could be the Lib Dems in your case, but it may well also be Labour, so it's worth considering that. This website will tell you.
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So you're defending UKIP now. Why am I not surprised?
No! Why am I not surprised? You misunderstand simple English.

(Original post by QE2)
And now you accuse a young BME person of "bigotry" because they object to the prejudice displayed by other right-wing xenophobes.
You really couldn't make it up!
I bet you think that positive discrimination is racist. The longer you post on here, the more your true colours show.
No, because they have avoided my question and labeled and closed the conversation without knowing the first thing about me, this is bigoted by definition. Also The colour of skin is irrelevant, I talk to the person not their skin colour. The only people who are seeing colour here is the person crying racism. Now please explain your post;

What right wing xenophobic argument has been voiced in this thread and by who?

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The classic response of a racist.
And I guess you are the one to decide whether someone else has suffered racism or not, by using your own right-wing criteria.
You keep desperately trying to label me right wing, I'm starting to think you dont know what being right wing means.
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Was talking about england.

You are not changing society by voting for a party who has no chance at all of winning your constituency. UKIP got 2 million votes but because of the broken system they didn't get the representation their voters deserved. This had very little actual impact made. Those voters might as well have just stayed home. There is no hope of breaking the two party system with FPTP unless the other two parties fail absolutely phenomenally, an effect you'd hope brexit would have. There needs to be extent of PR.
But you are making change mate. You made the UKIP vote comparison, you are correct that UKIP vote share in 2015 was not healthy, when you look at representation their voters were rewarded with anyway. However let's look at the effect of UKIP vote. Look at the way that UKIP vote changed the political landscape, without it Britian would now be a very different place. Wouldn't it?

Was it a wasted vote?
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But you are making change mate. You made the UKIP vote comparison, you are correct that UKIP vote share in 2015 was not healthy, when you look at representation their voters were rewarded with anyway. However let's look at the effect of UKIP vote. Look at the way that UKIP vote changed the political landscape, without it Britian would now be a very different place. Wouldn't it?

Was it a wasted vote?
My point exactly, it's an example of how a protest vote can actually achieve something.
And that is all it was, I am actually more left wing in my politics, maybe not as far left leaning as I used to be but that is where my anti EU stance comes from, just like the likes of Skinner, Benn and erm oh yeah Corbyn.
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