Goldsmiths Film Making MA vs York Film and TV Production

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Hi,

I'm planning to take an MA in Film Making (interested in producing and directing) next September and wanted to see if anyone had any experience at Goldsmiths or York University?

The courses I'm interested are below:

Film Making with Directing (Goldsmiths) : https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-filmmak...cting-fiction/

Film and Television Production with Directing (York)
https://www.york.ac.uk/study/postgra...ion-directing/

I know York is a Russel Group, so it is a little more prestigious, however I know Goldsmiths specialises in the Arts...

Any advice from anyone on these courses (or any other suggestions, I'm also considering AUB and BU) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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just a random thought, as you are approx three years ahead of my inevitably similar decisions - would it be helpful to attend a film making MA where there are film jobs available?

I'm thinking of the complicated current UK productions spaces, co-located with good colleges?

https://www.screenyorkshire.co.uk/ne...w-film-office/ (Kirkstall Road, Leeds, Yorkshire TV & new Channel Four head office 2018?)

and this enthusiast website (Martin Kempton lighting director) that tries to follow history of UK studios
http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/res...%20britain.htm

I think a postgrad qual that has deep industry connection, even a summer internship, would kickstart a career so much more than just a postgrad qual, but then I don't know the industry that well , apart from talking to former YTV techs and former BBC cameramen, and family friend Phil Redmond (Hollyoaks etc), but I haven't seen him for a while.
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(Original post by LuigiMario)
just a random thought, as you are approx three years ahead of my inevitably similar decisions - would it be helpful to attend a film making MA where there are film jobs available?

I'm thinking of the complicated current UK productions spaces, co-located with good colleges?

https://www.screenyorkshire.co.uk/ne...w-film-office/ (Kirkstall Road, Leeds, Yorkshire TV & new Channel Four head office 2018?)

and this enthusiast website (Martin Kempton lighting director) that tries to follow history of UK studios
http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/res...%20britain.htm

I think a postgrad qual that has deep industry connection, even a summer internship, would kickstart a career so much more than just a postgrad qual, but then I don't know the industry that well , apart from talking to former YTV techs and former BBC cameramen, and family friend Phil Redmond (Hollyoaks etc), but I haven't seen him for a while.
Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes industry experience is invaluable (as I learned from my placement year at uni back in 2015 in the advertising industry). Almost all masters require this these days too.

I did not realise Screen Yorkshire had connections to York Uni, that sounds promising. I'm a little confused by the what you are trying to say with the second link, apologies.

Goldsmiths sounds pretty connected too (they claim to have established relations with casting directors, agents, production designers and other professionals who will both advise you and provide their skills to enhance your productions). Given Soho is production company central, this is very believable.

I'm applying to both and hoping someone with experience on either course will get back in this thread.

Cheers,
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Hi,

I'm planning to take an MA in Film Making (interested in producing and directing) next September and wanted to see if anyone had any experience at Goldsmiths or York University?

The courses I'm interested are below:

Film Making with Directing (Goldsmiths) : https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-filmmak...cting-fiction/

Film and Television Production with Directing (York)
https://www.york.ac.uk/study/postgra...ion-directing/

I know York is a Russel Group, so it is a little more prestigious, however I know Goldsmiths specialises in the Arts...

Any advice from anyone on these courses (or any other suggestions, I'm also considering AUB and BU) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
Hi there 👋

If you're free on 20 November, we're holding a postgraduate open evening at Goldsmiths! If you can make it this would be a great opportunity for you to meet the department, speak to current students, and all around decide if the programme and campus are a good fit for you. 😊

You can get more info and book in for the open day here: www.gold.ac.uk/open-days/

If you can't make it, there's still loads of useful information about the programme page, I'd definitely recommend having a look through the modules, programme specification, and student work sections in particular 📽️

If you have any specific questions feel free to let me know! 😎

-Miranda
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Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes industry experience is invaluable (as I learned from my placement year at uni back in 2015 in the advertising industry). Almost all masters require this these days too.

I did not realise Screen Yorkshire had connections to York Uni, that sounds promising. I'm a little confused by the what you are trying to say with the second link, apologies.

Goldsmiths sounds pretty connected too (they claim to have established relations with casting directors, agents, production designers and other professionals who will both advise you and provide their skills to enhance your productions). Given Soho is production company central, this is very believable.

I'm applying to both and hoping someone with experience on either course will get back in this thread.

Cheers,
sorry for confusion! Yes , that sounds like my trademark, I mean well

I thought that some information such as 'which colleges had best (or even good) connections with the industry' was quite hard to achieve or resolve, and that enthusiast website is where I personally could spend weeks sticking pins in maps - to eventually make my postgrad decision, which as I say will happen in about 3 years...

The better way for knowledge seems to be to talk to the colleges, as Goldsmiths has nicely invited you,

York uni vis a vis Leeds work opportunities, I'm not sure of a direct link, but they are twentyfive minutes apart by train. So it is implied.
When I was looking specifically at Leeds for a Media course, before choosing Scotland, several colleges there pushed themselves as being astonishingly interconnected with Film, including a former basically religious teacher training college,, now claiming minor university status so I am sometimes sceptical of the uni claims.

let's go way-back to the 1950's and the basics of the industry when at Cannes, France the Centre international de liaison des écoles de cinéma et de télévision opened. CILECT https://www.cilect.org/profiles/members/235/4 (and more recently Groupement Européen des Ecoles de Cinéma et de Télévision GEECT was established for the EU area, in Paris, but their Members are simply taken from CILECT)

CILECT list these schools for Film in UK as 'members', so these film schools are formally internationally accredited from the highest level
Bournemouth Film School (AUB)
Falmouth University
London College of Communication
London Film School (LFS)
Met Film School (MFS)
National Association for Higher Education in the Moving Image (NAHEMI)
National FIlm and Television School (NFTS)
Northern Film School / Leeds Beckett University (NFS/LBU)
Screen Academy Scotland (SAS)
University for the Creative Arts , Surrey
University of Hertfordshire
University of South Wales (NFS/USW)
Westminster Film School / University of Westminster (WFS)


The CILECT website does mention York, but not a lot. There remains a lot of space here for York to mention its allegiances - no doubt there are some!
(OK York have their interesting postgrad course accredited by "https://www.screenskills.com") more on this soon, however CILECT have no mention of 'screenskills'

What I could find for excellent Goldsmiths is that it still claims to be accredited by Creative Skillset 'tick', which itself is recognised by CILECT http://www.cilect.org/profiles/research_view/223 and that "Creative Skillset as a UK industry body can be very helpful for future employment in the industry, even giving bursaries" (according to previous TSR discussions, from 4 years ago)

Complicating things, the internet homepage of Creative Skillset simply now redirects, since late in 2018, to https://www.screenskills.com
it's now a lot fancier homepage, much use of shiny colours and eye catching click-bait; their ScreenSkills list of short top-up courses seems to be London based, with some at Iver Heath (Uxbridge = London) a few at Leeds.

So the nexus is probably London industry base, an amazing if expensive world city, compared with University of York, where my uncle was a Physics professor there, recently retired.. I've been playing in the grounds there @ York Uni Heslington, Acomb etc since I was eight, know the city well, love it, but it's a bit quiet.

Add that to Goldsmiths being especially renowned for MA in directing/production, aligned with your interests, and the fact that they might offer accommodation? (alternatively I'm sure my uncle & aunt could put you up in their York suburb, where you could cycle to the uni, like everyone does - don't do that in London!)

you do have a nice couple of options!
(and this research is v.useful for my future choices too...dunno yet what to specialise in, today I'm in the live audience at TERN TV (Scotland's largest indie factual content producer) for a new reality show filming)
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Hi there,I've just come across your post and while I don't have an answer myself, I am kind of in the same position as you. I have an offer for both uni's but am struggling to decide on where myself (mine is for Cinematography as opposed to directing). I know you made this post a while ago but I was wondering if you're any further on your decision?Thanks!
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Goldsmiths has an impressive list of guest speakers whilst York does not name-check any so that is a worry. With so many media companies in Leeds (30-minute train ride away) it's a shame York have not made any tie-ups with the likes of Yorkshire TV. I would pick Goldsmiths since people like Danny Boyle do not give their time easily so if the likes of him are coming to talk to the Goldsmiths students then that speaks volumes.
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