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I'm voting for Corbyn.
I want Brexit done but I care about social issues more.

There is a lot I disagree with him on but on big issues he is right.

I want the trains nationalised.
I want more affordable housing
I want lower tution fees.

I look at the conservative side and they keep spouting the phrase Benjamin Disraeli coined "one nation conservativism" they have been doing it since David Cameron.
But it's not true the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing. I don't think anyone believes one nation or big society anymore.

So I look at the conservative manifesto and the only thing I get is Brexit.
All the commitments they are making are also just aimed at reversing the austerity policies they implemented.

I'm a pretty open minded person but do the conservative party offer anything other than Brexit?
Also I am worried they will have free reign to trash workers rights if they get a majority.
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The one nation conservatism is just the over-bearing paternalistic conservatism that dominates Tory thinking. The average person is an idiot and needs to be told how to think and how to behave by the establishment. We can see this in Rees-Mogg's recent comments.

It is why I'd never vote Conservative, irrespective of Brexit.
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The one nation conservatism is just the over-bearing paternalistic conservatism that dominates Tory thinking. The average person is an idiot and needs to be told how to think and how to behave by the establishment. We can see this in Rees-Mogg's recent comments.

It is why I'd never vote Conservative, irrespective of Brexit.
The problem is that the Lib Dems are forever telling what we can and can't do or say and the last Labour government was no better, we have been living in a nanny state for the last 20 years or so.
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i want £10000000000 doesnt mean i have it
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(Original post by adam271)
I'm voting for Corbyn.
I want Brexit done but I care about social issues more.

There is a lot I disagree with him on but on big issues he is right.

I want the trains nationalised.
I want more affordable housing
I want lower tution fees.

I look at the conservative side and they keep spouting the phrase Benjamin Disraeli coined "one nation conservativism" they have been doing it since David Cameron.
But it's not true the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing. I don't think anyone believes one nation or big society anymore.

So I look at the conservative manifesto and the only thing I get is Brexit.
All the commitments they are making are also just aimed at reversing the austerity policies they implemented.

I'm a pretty open minded person but do the conservative party offer anything other than Brexit?
Also I am worried they will have free reign to trash workers rights if they get a majority.
What I don’t get about The Conservatives is why they are against welfare for the sick, disabled and veterans but they are dead silent towards third world migrants abuse the benefits systems. I don’t know why The Conservatives never tackled issues with mass migration and open borders. The Conservatives seem to have no problem housing benefit scrounging migrants over homeless war veterans
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I voted Labour in the 2017 election. At that time however, Labour supported Brexit.

Now, it seems that Labour wants to undo the result of the 2016 referendum. I've found Labour (and the remainer parties) infuriating throughout the Brexit process, while Boris Johnson has been trying hard to deliver what I voted for in 2016. I also happen to care more about Brexit than any other issue at the moment. Leaving the EU is a once in a forever opportunity.

I'll probably be voting for The Brexit Party. I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote Conservative, given what they've done to the UK's public services and welfare system.
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(Original post by Pencil)
I voted Labour in the 2017 election. At that time however, Labour supported Brexit.

Now, it seems that Labour wants to undo the result of the 2016 referendum. I've found Labour (and the remainer parties) infuriating throughout the Brexit process, while Boris Johnson has been trying hard to deliver what I voted for in 2016. I also happen to care more about Brexit than any other issue at the moment. Leaving the EU is a once in a forever opportunity.

I'll probably be voting for The Brexit Party. I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote Conservative, given what they've done to the UK's public services and welfare system.
I am also a Leave supporter.. and I agree it’s annoying, but unfortunately Labour had to go for it otherwise they’d have been done for by the Lib Dems. I think this opportunity for a true socialist left wing government is also once in a generation. Would not waste it on the Brexit Party if I were you
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What I don’t get about The Conservatives is why they are against welfare for the sick, disabled and veterans but they are dead silent towards third world migrants abuse the benefits systems. I don’t know why The Conservatives never tackled issues with mass migration and open borders. The Conservatives seem to have no problem housing benefit scrounging migrants over homeless war veterans
How do third world migrants abuse the benefit system?
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(Original post by Pencil)
I voted Labour in the 2017 election. At that time however, Labour supported Brexit.

Now, it seems that Labour wants to undo the result of the 2016 referendum. I've found Labour (and the remainer parties) infuriating throughout the Brexit process, while Boris Johnson has been trying hard to deliver what I voted for in 2016. I also happen to care more about Brexit than any other issue at the moment. Leaving the EU is a once in a forever opportunity.

I'll probably be voting for The Brexit Party. I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote Conservative, given what they've done to the UK's public services and welfare system.
What do you hope to gain from Brexit?
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How do third world migrants abuse the benefit system?
That’s such a dumb question to ask. You honestly these migrants are doctors, lawyers, architectures, etc? They are unskilled aliens. Europe has migrant crisis particular in other countries like Sweden, France, Ireland, Italy, Germany & Spain. We never asked, never wanted and never needed being poured in from Romania, Bulgaria, Senegal, Syria etc thanks to the globalists elitist that want to replace Europe with third world occupancy.. Don’t say it’s a refugees crisis because most of them are full grown men fleeing specifically to Britain because of our lenient benefits system.
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Who's your MP?
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That’s such a dumb question to ask. You honestly these migrants are doctors, lawyers, architectures, etc? They are unskilled aliens. Europe has migrant crisis particular in other countries like Sweden, France, Ireland, Italy, Germany & Spain. We never asked, never wanted and never needed being poured in from Romania, Bulgaria, Senegal, Syria etc thanks to the globalists elitist that want to replace Europe with third world occupancy.. Don’t say it’s a refugees crisis (I call them rapefugees) because most of them are full grown men fleeing specifically to Britain because of our lenient benefits system.
"aliens", "rapefugees" don't know whether to laugh or be worried for you, maybe that's enough 4chan for you today....

Hi, from a European migrant

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Well as much as I'd love to vote labour, this election is too important. Democracy and Brexit is on the line, unfortunately labour government will damage both currently.

I'm trying to comfort myself that borris Johnson is quite a center ground Tory in social policies and with Brexit out the way, we can get rid of them later. Where as the damage to democracy labour would do is just too much, I'm country before party.

I dont fancy remain vs remain I referendum number two, and them hey... remain wins
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(Original post by AnxiousAtypical)
What I don’t get about The Conservatives is why they are against welfare for the sick, disabled and veterans but they are dead silent towards third world migrants abuse the benefits systems. I don’t know why The Conservatives never tackled issues with mass migration and open borders. The Conservatives seem to have no problem housing benefit scrounging migrants over homeless war veterans
They aren't against it. I see labour as for the people and conservative for the country. As in labours focus is helping the people and spending and benefits and welfare. And thats great. Conservatives care about the economy getting us out of the deficit paying our debts of making sure we can function as a country. Equally important so one cant exist without the other.. It doesn't mean they are against welfare. Conservatives haven't tackled mass migration and open borders as they couldn't/cant within the EU because that is part of the EU regulations
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I voted Labour in the 2017 election. At that time however, Labour supported Brexit.

Now, it seems that Labour wants to undo the result of the 2016 referendum. I've found Labour (and the remainer parties) infuriating throughout the Brexit process, while Boris Johnson has been trying hard to deliver what I voted for in 2016. I also happen to care more about Brexit than any other issue at the moment. Leaving the EU is a once in a forever opportunity.

I'll probably be voting for The Brexit Party. I'm not sure I could bring myself to vote Conservative, given what they've done to the UK's public services and welfare system.
Problem is if you vote Brexit party then that lessons conservative majority and increase chance of labour getting in. With the public services and welfare there conservatives ahem cut it significantly but they have done this to reduce the defecit and to strength the economy. This is why we need both parties as one is welfare one is economy. But in this election other parties realistically aren't going to get in so you have to vote tactically. But then again your choice sorry if im ranting!
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(Original post by ColinDent)
The problem is that the Lib Dems are forever telling what we can and can't do or say and the last Labour government was no better, we have been living in a nanny state for the last 20 years or so.
Well wouldnt that at least half be the tories bad?
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Well as much as I'd love to vote labour, this election is too important. Democracy and Brexit is on the line, unfortunately labour government will damage both currently.

I'm trying to comfort myself that borris Johnson is quite a center ground Tory in social policies and with Brexit out the way, we can get rid of them later. Where as the damage to democracy labour would do is just too much, I'm country before party.

I dont fancy remain vs remain I referendum number two, and them hey... remain wins
Thats a novel, bordering on touching, position. Especially given not a single politician in the UK, with no exceptions, subscribes to that.
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"aliens", "rapefugees" don't know whether to laugh or be worried for you, maybe that's enough 4chan for you today....

Hi, from a European migrant

My parents are migrants but nice try using your ‘European migrant’ status to score cheap points. FAIL
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My parents are migrants but nice try using your ‘European migrant’ status to score cheap points. FAIL
lol, like the whole "i have black friends, im not racist" - says the dude talking about elitist plots, "rapefugees" and "aliens" - hope you get better soon
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vote Corbin, get Stalin
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