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Reply 100
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Brexit = deregulation = cheaper manufacturing costs = cheaper prices (for food, clothing etc).

So you are following Minford on this. Catch is on manufacturing there will likely be very little of it left if he gets his way,

"In 2012, [Professor Minford] told MPs on Westminster’s foreign affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU. In the run-up to the referendum in 2016 he also said Brexit would eliminate manufacturing.”"

Economists for Brexit- the horse's mouth.
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Original post by QE2
You are confusing origin with popular usage.
"Drinking the Kool Aid" generally means "blindly following something that doesn’t merit such devotion". https://grammarist.com/usage/drink-the-kool-aid/
But Leavers who still lap up the demagogues' claims of a post-Brexit land of milk, honey and renewed Greatness, despite the evidence, do kinda fit the definition of a cult.

Are you seriously calling Brexiteers ”demagogues” and referring to us as a ”cult”?
Look at your own side first!
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Are you seriously calling Brexiteers ”demagogues” and referring to us as a ”cult”?
Look at your own side first!

I wouldn't disagree. Blindly following others into battle; turkeys voting for christmas; 17.4 million *beats chest*.

However you want to say it. It is also true that Brexiteers are less educated.
Original post by imlikeahermit
However you want to say it. It is also true that Brexiteers are less educated.


It might be true that a higher percentage of Brexiteers have less in the way of academic education than Remainers, but they possess a certain type of intelligence lacking in most degree educated ardent Remainers in that they can smell a rat a mile away.
Original post by imlikeahermit
I wouldn't disagree. Blindly following others into battle; turkeys voting for christmas; 17.4 million *beats chest*.

However you want to say it. It is also true that Brexiteers are less educated.

Its also true you are more bigoted than most brexiteers :wink:
Reply 106
Original post by Burton Bridge
What one intends to vote for and what one feel passionate enough to campaign for are two different things and are not necessarily linked.

Who said anything about campaigning. All you said was that you weren't prepared to type "vote Conservative", but you have been typing that you will actually vote Conservative.
Original post by imlikeahermit
I wouldn't disagree. Blindly following others into battle; turkeys voting for christmas; 17.4 million *beats chest*.

However you want to say it. It is also true that Brexiteers are less educated.

I haven't seen any of the first two and what so offends you about respecting the will of the people?

Democracy =/= minority rule.
Reply 108
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Are you seriously calling Brexiteers ”demagogues” and referring to us as a ”cult”?
Look at your own side first!

Demagogue: A political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.

None of those examples you gave were "demagogues", Just angry idiots. Their behaviour does not affect the strength of the Remain argument or the weakness of Leave.
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Original post by Arran90
It might be true that a higher percentage of Brexiteers have less in the way of academic education than Remainers, but they possess a certain type of intelligence lacking in most degree educated ardent Remainers in that they can smell a rat a mile away.

However not educated enough to smell that rat really though? I mean, no-one is getting what is promised are they? The people we're promised some utopian brexit idea, something far too good to be true. They didn't do very well at smelling that rat...
Original post by Burton Bridge
Its also true you are more bigoted than most brexiteers :wink:

Hardly. I speak facts. You people just spurt out "will of the people" on cue, and have no real economic facts to stand with, apart from the suck it and see approach, or rule britannia.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
I haven't seen any of the first two and what so offends you about respecting the will of the people?

Democracy =/= minority rule.

And there it is. "Will of the people" *Beats chest*

The same people who we're lied to? What about the 49% of people who voted to remain? What about the youth vote voting to remain, the ones who will be effected the most by this farce?
Reply 110
Original post by Arran90
It might be true that a higher percentage of Brexiteers have less in the way of academic education than Remainers, but they possess a certain type of intelligence lacking in most degree educated ardent Remainers in that they can smell a rat a mile away.

Clearly not true, as they fell for the nonsense of people like Farage, Mogg, Johnson and Murdoch.

BTW, I don't think too much need be read into the fact that the more educated you are, the less likely you are to vote Leave. Could be coincidence.
Reply 111
Original post by Burton Bridge
Its also true you are more bigoted than most brexiteers :wink:

"If you don't agree with my xenophobic nonsense, you are a bigot!"
lol!
Original post by QE2
Who said anything about campaigning. All you said was that you weren't prepared to type "vote Conservative", but you have been typing that you will actually vote Conservative.

If you are genuinely a certain way, and feel strongly about something you start to campaign. I campaigned and continue to campaign for democratic socialism. I'm lending my vote to the conservatives because of democracy.

Non of this makes me right wing, now so far you have failed to give me one example of why I am right wing, other than I support brexit (which is not right wing) and I'm going to vote conservative, which i have already explained why I'm doing this, this time.

Funny, you are so concerned with the good of the left, you never make a left wing arguement, so concerned with prejudice, you support and inherently racist EU. If you wish too argue a left wing arguement, come onto different threads and make a left wing case :smile:

Original post by QE2
"If you don't agree with my xenophobic nonsense, you are a bigot!"
lol!

Now you admit you strategy, it's not a very good or adult one, but it's the one you're capable of.
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Reply 113
Original post by LiberOfLondon
what so offends you about respecting the will of the people?

Which people?
What about the will of the 16 million people who voted Remain?
What about finding out if anyone's will has changed in the intervening 4 years, given the substantive changes in information and policy since the first vote?
What about the will of the 13 million who didn't express a preference but may like to do so now, four years and many revelations later?

Democracy =/= minority rule.

Democracy means allowing the people to vote on important issues. It does not mean refusing to allow the people to vote on important issues.
And sometimes it does mean minority rule.
Original post by QE2
Demagogue: A political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.

None of those examples you gave were "demagogues", Just angry idiots. Their behaviour does not affect the strength of the Remain argument or the weakness of Leave.

I'm not sure which planet you're on, but Tusk is a political leader.
Original post by imlikeahermit
However not educated enough to smell that rat really though? I mean, no-one is getting what is promised are they? The people we're promised some utopian brexit idea, something far too good to be true. They didn't do very well at smelling that rat...

Hardly. I speak facts. You people just spurt out "will of the people" on cue, and have no real economic facts to stand with, apart from the suck it and see approach, or rule britannia.

And there it is. "Will of the people" *Beats chest*

The same people who we're lied to? What about the 49% of people who voted to remain? What about the youth vote voting to remain, the ones who will be effected the most by this farce?

Saying some votes count more than others is the definition of anti-democratic.
Original post by QE2
Which people?
What about the will of the 16 million people who voted Remain?
What about finding out if anyone's will has changed in the intervening 4 years, given the substantive changes in information and policy since the first vote?
What about the will of the 13 million who didn't express a preference but may like to do so now, four years and many revelations later?


Democracy means allowing the people to vote on important issues. It does not mean refusing to allow the people to vote on important issues.
And sometimes it does mean minority rule.

”democracy means minority rule”
Ah yes, because apartheid SA was well known for democracy.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
I'm not sure which planet you're on, but Tusk is a political leader.

Saying some votes count more than others is the definition of anti-democratic.

”democracy means minority rule”
Ah yes, because apartheid SA was well known for democracy.

I think I have got it mate, this is how it works. Ok so we get certain political polices and we put them up for a vote. Now for the democracy part, stay with me I've got this bud :ahee:.

So those polices we like, every positive vote counts, every other negative vote counts. Every citizen in the country who doesn't vote counts as a positive.

Now those polices we dont like, every positive other vote counts, every negative vote counts. Every citizen in the country who doesn't vote counts as a negative.

Yes mate! That explains why sometimes democracy does mean minority rule, get in!
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Meanwhile back in the real world .....
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Original post by Burton Bridge
If you are genuinely a certain way, and feel strongly about something you start to campaign. I campaigned and continue to campaign for democratic socialism. I'm lending my vote to the conservatives because of democracy.

Non of this makes me right wing, now so far you have failed to give me one example of why I am right wing, other than I support brexit (which is not right wing) and I'm going to vote conservative, which i have already explained why I'm doing this, this time.

Funny, you are so concerned with the good of the left, you never make a left wing arguement, so concerned with prejudice, you support and inherently racist EU. If you wish too argue a left wing arguement, come onto different threads and make a left wing case :smile:


Now you admit you strategy, it's not a very good or adult one, but it's the one you're capable of.


I respect so much of what you say, even if I disagree. I hope when it comes to the vote you don't vote for the Tories, even if you can't bring yourself to vote Labour.

The damage Johnson can and will do with a big majority is shuddering.
Reply 117
Original post by LiberOfLondon
I'm not sure which planet you're on, but Tusk is a political leader.

Please reference where Tusk has " seeked support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument"
Thanks.

”democracy means minority rule”
Ah yes, because apartheid SA was well known for democracy.

Interesting that you deliberately missed out the "sometimes". "Sometimes", democracy can indeed lead to a minority holding power. Do you deny that?
Pre-reform SA was not a democracy as the majority were disenfranchised in some way.
Reply 118
Original post by Burton Bridge
I think I have got it mate, this is how it works. Ok so we get certain political polices and we put them up for a vote. Now for the democracy part, stay with me I've got this bud :ahee:.

So those polices we like, every positive vote counts, every other negative vote counts. Every citizen in the country who doesn't vote counts as a positive.

Now those polices we dont like, every positive other vote counts, every negative vote counts. Every citizen in the country who doesn't vote counts as a negative.

Yes mate! That explains why sometimes democracy does mean minority rule, get in!
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Meanwhile back in the real world .....

You really have no idea what you are on about, do you? You just don't have the capacity to process even simple concepts.
BrIAN™

Also, love the calling anyone who you think might support you "mate". Really is quite creepy.
"Ooh mate, yeah, you're so right mate. Please rep me mate. Isn't QE2 wrong, eh mate? Please agree with me mate. Maaaate."
Creepy and sad.
Reply 119
Shame not one decent attempt to dissade me from voting Labout apart from @the bear of course.

I voted for brexit and would happily vote for it again. I even like Jonhson, surprisngly. But unless I am turned I am still voting Labour.

Also the only 'anti democratic' party are the Liberal Democrats. I find it disapointting that many in TSR are considering to vote for them as I remember the outrage on this forum over tutiton fees when the majority of us who could vote for them voted for them only to get shafted when they got into power.
If you vote Lib Dem you are voting for a party that will not keep its promises they are not beholdent to their manifesto.
Why do I say this? They said it themselves. When they enter a coaltion they can not keep their electroical promises as they are working in coalation with another party. Well since it is impossible for the Lib Dems to form a majority government this means they can ditch any policy they want once they get into power through colation.

I also getting a massive feeling of Deja vu as well as they are grabbing the remain vote just like they grabbed the student vote.

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