'utterly betrayed': Britains Jews are now politically homeless Watch

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An interesting article well worth a read.
Although the bit where one person compared modern day Britain to 1941's Austria comes across as an egregious case of hyperbole bordering on an outright lie.


We Jews have evolved to be neurotic; so neurotic that, in certain circumstances, the Syrian border feels slightly safer than Muswell Hill. I’ll take Muswell Hill. Polls say that only 7 per cent of British Jews will consider voting for Labour on 12 December, while 47 per cent of British Jews will consider leaving the country if Labour win. I’d rather fight Dave (generic name) from the Labour Representation Committee than Dave from Hezbollah (likewise generic). But I shouldn’t joke; and nothing feels funny any more. Things are always OK until they aren’t.

Jews have fled Labour since Ed Miliband’s time. In 2010 we were split quite evenly between Labour and the Tories: but Gordon Brown is a serious man. Despite the fact that Miliband is Jewish, support dwindled under his leadership — he was too ashamed of Israel, the homeland to which Jews remain attached, whatever the Jewish Corbynista fringe may say — and he is a nebbish. Corbyn, though, is something awful: the leader whose response to the Enough’s Enough rally in 2018 was to spend the Passover seder with Jewdas, the ‘radical diasporists’ who have prayed ‘Please God, smash the state of Israel / Smash it in the abundance of your love’. That was his answer to Jewish fear, and we knew him then for what he was: a Jew baiter, and a coward. Under his leadership, and the semi-respectable sheen of anti-Zionism — let’s have a Rainbow Nation with Hamas! — the poison spreads. The libel that the Jews are the enemy of everything holy (formerly Christ, now socialism) has returned.

There are allies, but they are largely outside Labour now. Ian Austin, a Labour MP for 14 years, now an independent, this morning asked Labour supporters to vote Tory: due to anti-Semitism. ‘For a party that’s got a proud record of fighting for equality and opposing racism, the Labour party’s been poisoned by anti-Jewish racism under his leadership and it is a complete and utter disgrace.’



Among Jews who care about Labour, or what Labour once was, there have been fierce battles since 2017: between those who would fight from within, and those who think that any vote for Corbyn is a vote for an anti-Semite. Broadly, the second group has won. Even I have no time for the Jewish activists who attempt to solve the crisis from within, and I previously defended them: to each Jew, her own path. But what is at the end of it? It is a familiar position for a European Jew: to be considered the enemy of goodness, and I console myself by saying they made us choose; like Trotsky, we could not be a Jew and a citizen of the world. It would have been easy for them to reassure reasonable Jews — I accept there are unreasonable ones — but instead they praised the woman who wrote ‘Free Palestine’ on the walls of the Warsaw Ghetto, and too much else to print. It is contemptuous, but why not? Electorally, we do not matter; and why should they be immune from the 2,000 years of libel which is their cultural inheritance?

Most Jews now live in a state of existential fear; the rest — Jewish Voice for Labour [JVL], and Jewdas — in thrilled denial. ‘In 2017,’ says one Jewish acquaintance, previously of the left, ‘we still thought there was a chance that Labour’s anti-Semitism problem could be beaten from within. MPs such as Ian Austin, John Mann and Louise Ellman were trying to achieve change, along with many party members. But that hasn’t worked: all three of those MPs have been beaten by the sheer scale of the problem.’ All but Mann have left Labour. ‘A major religious leader [Jonathan Sacks, the former chief rabbi] has called the opposition leader an anti-Semite and refuses to sit in the same room as him. Corbyn’s supporters — including a handful of Jews — queue up to tell Jews in the mainstream what they should and should not find anti-Semitic. This is by far the biggest challenge to the UK Jewish community of all our lifetimes.’

‘I’m waking up with a sense of doom every day,’ says another. ‘Fear is what it is, fear and dread, mixed with a sense of disbelief that this is happening in my lifetime, and that so few people seem to care.’

‘I feel utterly betrayed by the country I grew up in, that used to feel safe,’ says a third. ‘My father fled from Austria in 1941. I feel relieved he is not here to see what is happening now. Deep in my heart I always felt the people around me would have my back. I have now lost that trust.’ A fourth says: ‘We no longer have the freedom to vote on anything other than being Jewish.’

This is my dilemma, for the past four years have felt like an awakening. I can no longer pretend to be what I will call a Disraelian Jew: an exotic, but one who belongs here, a Jew and a leftist. In a sense it expiates my shame, which was previously dormant but is now brightly alive; that we, as British Jews, survived almost intact — there were casualties in the Channel Islands — while continental Europe is a graveyard. Incidentally, I think that explains why I spoilt my ballot paper in the referendum, an act which, at the time, mystified me slightly. I am not so attached to continental Europe.

‘Jew’ is absolutely a loaded word again. I have been told, very recently, that the Rothschilds control Europe — at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting of all places; and by a socialist, naturally. This is normal. When I ask Labour members about anti-Semitism they react with denial or, more likely, fury; why do we seek to maim the utopia, and why do we not do something about Islamophobia? (I wish I could; but how does ignoring anti-Semitism further the anti-racist cause?) I know they think my testimony is suspect — oh, lying Jew! — but my antennae are set to peril, and I trust them. I also trust that things will get worse; that the more it is tolerated, the more it bleeds across the culture. Do people really think that a far-right thug will pause before he punches a Jew and think: hang on, didn’t this rhetoric emerge from Stalin’s Russia? The left provides the script, always, for they are the pseudo-intellectuals writing their borrowed lies; the right, the fists. Chris Williamson spoke this creed in his letter of resignation; Jews are saboteurs who have infiltrated Labour on the orders of Israel and we are anti-Semites too; for self-interest, we will destroy our own.

‘Many of the victims of this witch hunt have been Jewish socialists,’ he wrote, ‘whose anti-Zionism is anathema to the apartheid apologists apparently influencing Labour foreign and domestic policy. You and others share my belief that the anti-Semitism smears against Labour activists, candidates and MPs are unfounded. And yet Labour party officials have capitulated to the Jewish Labour Movement – formerly known as Pa’ole Zion – an organisation revived in 2015 at the same time as the State of Israel launched a diplomatic strategy to delegitimise Palestinian activism on the Left and normalise Zionism in our movement.’

As the denial goes on, I allow myself the luxury of wondering if it would be better if they said, outright — we hate Jews. At least Nazis did not call themselves anti-racists, although they probably would nowadays. John McDonnell called himself ‘saddened’ on The Andrew Marr Show, as if Anglo-Jewry were a woman who had disappointed him because she did not understand him. Yet he remains the president of the Labour Representation Committee, which hosted the most excitable Jew haters at the Labour conference fringe this year; why has he not resigned, and cursed them for endangering the project? Perhaps he has forgotten he is their president; perhaps he does not believe that they do.

That they made us choose makes me weep, for I have not considered voting Conservative before. But I won’t. There is a respectable strain of Conservatism, but this is not it, not for me — one glance at Jacob Rees-Mogg’s face is enough; and all racism thrives under inequality. The Tories cannot save us; that is a laughable sentence. That Labour call themselves progressives, and yet are imbued with the infection of ancient Christian Jew-hatred — the murder of God was our original sin — is equally laughable. We have returned to our settled place; too proud, in every sense, to assimilate; rather, we drift across the world to where we feel safe: the Syrian border for some; Muswell Hill for others.

At least I feel close to my ancestors now; I understand them better. I’m not English, I tell my friend, after I had read Jim Allen’s Perdition, a ruthlessly anti-Semitic play beloved by Ken Loach. I had to read it, after I saw Loach greeted with a standing ovation at Labour conference — and I read, in its pages, of Jewish culpability for the Holocaust; of the Jewish demonic attitude.

Yes, you are, he says, meaning to comfort me. No, I’m not. If I was an English schoolgirl, I am a real Jew now.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/...ally-homeless/
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Politically homeless? They're more than welcome to join the Liberal Democrats.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...next-election/
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/polls-...te-for-labour/

"It is potentially significant that recent polling shows that the pro-EU Liberal Democrats might snatch Finchley and Golders Green from the Tories in December. In 2017, Labour came close to winning the seat, but it has now plunged to third place.

The party’s candidate is Luciana Berger, a former Labour MP who was a vocal Jewish opponent of Corbyn until she defected to the Liberal Democrats. The centrist party’s popularity is no doubt boosted by Berger’s high-profile stand against anti-Semitism, but anti-Brexit feeling also runs deep in the area. Nearly 70% of voters in Barnet, the local authority in which the constituency rests, backed remain in the 2016 referendum. In May’s European elections, the Liberal Democrats swept the board in Finchley and Golders Green."
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Having read the whole article, it smacks not only of hyperbole but submission. Giving up is not an option and I suspect most Jews, like most people, aren't giving up either.
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(Original post by Napp)
An interesting article well worth a read.
Although the bit where one person compared modern day Britain to 1941's Austria comes across as an egregious case of hyperbole bordering on an outright lie.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/...ally-homeless/
This is just absolute proof that if you repeat a lie long enough it becomes truth. Is there really any evidence at all that Jeremy corbyn is anti-Semitic?
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boosted by Berger’s high-profile stand against anti-Semitism,
Shouldn't that read "Berger’s high-profile stand against criticism of Israel"?

This new definition of "anti-semitism" seems to bear similarities to the concept of "Islamophobia". Just call your critics racists. That should stop them.
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This is just absolute proof that if you repeat a lie long enough it becomes truth. Is there really any evidence at all that Jeremy corbyn is anti-Semitic?
No. None whatsoever.
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Shouldn't that read "Berger’s high-profile stand against criticism of Israel"?

This new definition of "anti-semitism" seems to bear similarities to the concept of "Islamophobia". Just call your critics racists. That should stop them.
I'd imagine that, much like the (mis/ab)use of the term Islamophobia, there will be those on one side who would rather shut down debate with it and those on the other side who take advantage of the debate to further a bigoted agenda.

I'm not too caught up on Berger's position on criticising Israel vs actual bigotry but when it comes to her former party even Corbyn has admitted to clear evidence of classic antisemitism within Labour.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/428...in-uk-zionism/
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Shouldn't that read "Berger’s high-profile stand against criticism of Israel"?
Trying to get caught up on Berger's case but I can't really find much to support your claim here. Her efforts seem to have focused on classic antisemtic offenses by both the far-right and within Labour and not much, if anything, to do with Israel.

Apparently, she steered clear of even discussing Israel since becoming MP to the point of upsetting Zionists.
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I'd imagine that, much like the (mis/ab)use of the term Islamophobia, there will be those on one side who would rather shut down debate with it and those on the other side who take advantage of the debate to further a bigoted agenda.

I'm not too caught up on Berger's position on criticising Israel vs actual bigotry but when it comes to her former party even Corbyn has admitted to clear evidence of classic antisemitism within Labour.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/428...in-uk-zionism/
Labour Party members. That's different from MP's. There's no evidence that Jeremy corbyn himself is anti-Semitic. He attended a sedar event and got called anti-Semitic by the daily mail because the Jews were apparently too left wing. They were the wrong type of Jews apparently. Its an extremely clear and obvious attempt at propoganda by the Conservative party. Its just a shame so many people have bought it.
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Too panicked, defeatist and borderline hysterical.
I know plenty of British Jews who would disagree on the "politically homeless" front.
They are very happy supporters or members of a variety of political parties including: Lib Dems, Conservatives, Brexit Party, Women's Equality Party.
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(Original post by AJ126y)
This is just absolute proof that if you repeat a lie long enough it becomes truth. Is there really any evidence at all that Jeremy corbyn is anti-Semitic?
Not really. The entire argument seems to rest on his support for Palestine (more an indication of these peoples hatred of Arabs than Corbyns hatred of Jews) and his admittedly poor response to instances of antisemitism in the Labour party. Neither of which makes him ipso facto an antisemite.
Then again anyone who is critical of Israel is apparently a neo-antisemite so who can say?
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Having read the whole article, it smacks not only of hyperbole but submission. Giving up is not an option and I suspect most Jews, like most people, aren't giving up either.
Well put.
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This new definition of "anti-semitism" seems to bear similarities to the concept of "Islamophobia". Just call your critics racists. That should stop them.
(Original post by AJ126y)
Its an extremely clear and obvious attempt at propoganda by the Conservative party. Its just a shame so many people have bought it.
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Then again anyone who is critical of Israel is apparently a neo-antisemite so who can say?
What do you fellas make of Labour finally adopting the full IHRA definition of antisemitism shortly after the party refused to include the following examples:

- Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country
- Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour
- Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations
- Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis
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What do you fellas make of Labour finally adopting the full IHRA definition of antisemitism shortly after the party refused to include the following examples:

- Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country
- Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour
- Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations
- Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis
Dreadful pity that they bowed to pressure as none of the former really constitute antisemitism, bar the first that is.
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Great picture: non-Jewish Britons are teaching the British Jews how they should understand antisemitism.
Good luck. :cool:
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Great picture: non-Jewish Britons are teaching the British Jews how they should understand antisemitism.
Good luck. :cool:
Ah the Israeli propaganda bot has finally crawled out of its box.
Strangely enough y'all do not have a monopoly on the it...
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Too panicked, defeatist and borderline hysterical.
I know plenty of British Jews who would disagree on the "politically homeless" front.
They are very happy supporters or members of a variety of political parties including: Lib Dems, Conservatives, Brexit Party, Women's Equality Party.
I just wonder what percentage Jewish people vote for any party if it the same as non Jews their more likely to be part RSPB than a political party.
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I'd imagine that, much like the (mis/ab)use of the term Islamophobia, there will be those on one side who would rather shut down debate with it and those on the other side who take advantage of the debate to further a bigoted agenda.

I'm not too caught up on Berger's position on criticising Israel vs actual bigotry but when it comes to her former party even Corbyn has admitted to clear evidence of classic antisemitism within Labour.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/428...in-uk-zionism/
Given the size and diverse membership of the Labour Party, it is hardly surprising if there are members with objectionable views. The issue is if those views are the views of the Party, or Corbyn - and it is clear that they are not. Any trace of anti-smitism should be rooted out, but the accusations against Corbyn as an individual and Labour as an entity are obvious political opportunism.
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Trying to get caught up on Berger's case but I can't really find much to support your claim here. Her efforts seem to have focused on classic antisemtic offenses by both the far-right and within Labour and not much, if anything, to do with Israel.

Apparently, she steered clear of even discussing Israel since becoming MP to the point of upsetting Zionists.
I read it in an article where she was complaining about her treatment by anti-Israeli protesters. I'll see if I can find it. The criminal offences against here were not committed by the Parliamentary Labour Party of any of its leadership. It is misleading to claim that such anti-semitism was a "Labour Party issue".
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What do you fellas make of Labour finally adopting the full IHRA definition of antisemitism shortly after the party refused to include the following examples:

- Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country
- Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour
- Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations
- Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis
Given that the full acceptance included the caveat "this will not in any way undermine freedom of expression on Israel or the rights of Palestinians", it seems reasonable.
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