'utterly betrayed': Britains Jews are now politically homeless
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Original post by DR.DOOM
If people like you despise Israel as a state, what do you want done with that land? do you want it all given to Palestinian people or do you want Jews to also live there. Also, do you regard Hamas as a political representative of the Palestinian people and do you see it as a terrorist group or do you not see it as a terrorist group?
I don't "despise Israel as a state". It has just as much right to its own existence and self-determination as any other state. Similarly, it is just as liable to criticism and censure on the basis of its foreign and domestic policies.
Just as the actions of the IRA did not make Irish unification and British military withdrawal any less valid, neither does the actions of Hamas make Palestinian independence and Israeli withdrawal any less valid.
Original post by username5032152
Thats all I said though but you've completely attacked me and said I am speaking nonsense when I merely tried to point out due to recent events especially a lot of Jews aren't fond of the Labour party. There are jews who support the labour party and some who don't. I think Alan sugar recently said he would vote for boris over corbyn if he could despite the fact that hes mainly only really voted for the labour party in the past.
They didn't like miliband because what a lot of Jewish MP/ministers do is they don't like to speak decently about israel without making it so political and they don't really dismiss the actions of the BDS sincerely. It is upsetting since Israel is incredibly important to us and the holy land has always been a centre for us jews.
P.s A lot of Jews are antisemitic.
They didn't like miliband because what a lot of Jewish MP/ministers do is they don't like to speak decently about israel without making it so political and they don't really dismiss the actions of the BDS sincerely. It is upsetting since Israel is incredibly important to us and the holy land has always been a centre for us jews.
P.s A lot of Jews are antisemitic.
I apologise for my previous comments.
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At the end of the day some people support Israel and some support Palestine, this is going to keep on rolling for the next decades. I despise Corbyn for what he's had to say about Israel and it's pretty clear he doesn't like Jews because he called Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends". But I don't just hate him for what he's said about Israel because that's just become normal at this point, I get people criticising Israel and claiming the Jews run the world all the time to the point I don't care anymore.
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
Original post by DR.DOOM
At the end of the day some people support Israel and some support Palestine, this is going to keep on rolling for the next decades. I despise Corbyn for what he's had to say about Israel and it's pretty clear he doesn't like Jews because he called Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends". But I don't just hate him for what he's said about Israel because that's just become normal at this point, I get people criticising Israel and claiming the Jews run the world all the time to the point I don't care anymore.
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
You have written a lot of nonsense then went on to accuse Corbyn of being anti-Semitic. This is a foolish and dangerous attack on a person that you probably have no clue about, so you should go back to your hole.
First, calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends should not be something that you should put you off Corbyn. We have sold weapons to nations who we have said that have influenced issues such as terrorism in the region and the world. We have called Saudi Arabia a close ally and personal friend, when we know of their operations in the ME and across the world. If you dont criticise that as well, then you are actually deluded.
In addition, many of the risks that Jews face are against terrorism and violence against Jewish women and children whether in Israel, the US, Africa and Europe. You seem to have forgotten the far right attacks in the US with the deaths in a synagogue. Maybe you don't mind that because they have not been committed by socialists.
To your point about Maduro, that is not really our problem. We are not the world’s policemen and we should focus on our domestic affairs. Whether Corbyn called him a friend or not should have absolutely nothing to do with how we engage at home.
You seem to be Jewish and also right wing, so I think your right wing nature is clouding your actual judgements. If you actually believe that Corbyn or the Labour Party is actually the threat, why dont you go to engage with the far right like the EDL, KKK and others and tell them that you are Jewish and then let us know how you fare in their midst.
My worry is that you actually have no clue what the real issues that we, Jews, are facing in the world today. We are more scared about the re-emergence of far right extremism that fellow Jews in Germany have been advised against wearing ornaments or garments such as their kippah to show they are Jewish. The reason is because the state are worried about the rise of far right groups like AfD and the recent attacks on Jewish women and children.
Original post by Wired_1800
-bunch of nonsense and assumptions-
You seem to be extremely triggered because you probably support labour and are a bit salty by the fact that you can't accept the delusions of Corbyn. First off I am no way far right, right winged, left winged or far left. I am centrist. Do you really think I would support this country or the US because we all know for a fact that they are buying and selling oil from the Saudis, Chinese and Russians. They also invaded Iraq for no reason whatsoever, "Weapons of mass destruction" only to take more oil. I've pointed this out before in my older posts but you're just assuming nonsense and it's a bit ironic how you started off saying I'm deluded for "attacking Corbyn" when you're assuming a cloud of things I haven't declared just yet in my original comment.
The far right is most certainly on the rise but I'm sick of leftists not admitting their truth that they don't want Jewish people to have a land or a right to live in their own nation. Do I hate the Palestinian people? absolutely not, I am in open arms to accepting peace with them and quiet frankly I bet you many of them have had it with people like you and the far right denying any peace methods all because politics and the media make this out to be a massive big conflict between Jewish people and Muslim people. You have no idea what's going on in either Israel or Palestine and people are sick of having to deal with rockets being fired on both sides. It usually starts with Hamas, a terrorist group, firing rockets at Israel and then goes backwards and forth. That's why there's rarely any issues in the West Bank and only riots over there.
Okay, if Maduro isn't a problem why are you pointing out what this country has done with the Saudis and god knows whatever other countries they've dealt with in the past? you're being a bit hypocritical here and being a "world policeman" yourself. How can you support a man that says Hezbollah, Hamas and even the IRA are his "friends", all of which are terrorist groups. How can you support a man who praises Maduro? you haven't given a response to that. Also if we should focus on domestic affairs, Corbyn and Boris won't do anything to solve the NHS crisis and the knife issue in London. Not anything at all, so if you're so focused on domestic matters, why are you even here criticising Israel in the first place? that's not a domestic issue is it?
Socialists and Facists are the same clowns, you see that terrorist attack that happened last year in Pittsburgh I was affected greatly by it, I don't forget these attacks. The EDL are on the rise just the same way that the AtomWaffen division are also on the rise, but lets not forget the same stupidity from groups like Antifa who openly attack conservatives just for having an opinion. Look at how Antifa shut down Ben Shapiro, who is probably neither left or right winged, why do you think they're shutting him down? At the end of the day, it's the far left and far right demonstrating the stupidity of humans, people that can't get a long because they hate a specific race or gender or whatever. Ever live in peace or go home
Original post by DR.DOOM
At the end of the day some people support Israel and some support Palestine, this is going to keep on rolling for the next decades. I despise Corbyn for what he's had to say about Israel and it's pretty clear he doesn't like Jews because he called Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends". But I don't just hate him for what he's said about Israel because that's just become normal at this point, I get people criticising Israel and claiming the Jews run the world all the time to the point I don't care anymore.
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
One of the key reasons I hate Corbyn, and you aren't going to hear nobody talk about this anywhere else, is the fact Corbyn has defended Nicolas Maduro [1] [2], one of the most corrupt men on the planet right now who is committing genocide against his own people. Any socialist supporter is blind to the human right abuses of what Maduro has done to his own people and they want a chump who has defended Maduro and called Hezbollah his "friends". How can you have a man like this as prime minister? I mean maybe it will happen because Bolsonaro was put in place in Brazil so you never know.
Corbyn is anti-Semitic but that isn't the only problem with him, he's a deranged man who isn't fit to lead a country
What has Corbyn done/said that's anti-Semitic? This gets thrown around a lot but I have yet to see a shred of proof for it.
Original post by DR.DOOM
You seem to be extremely triggered because you probably support labour and are a bit salty by the fact that you can't accept the delusions of Corbyn. First off I am no way far right, right winged, left winged or far left. I am centrist. Do you really think I would support this country or the US because we all know for a fact that they are buying and selling oil from the Saudis, Chinese and Russians. They also invaded Iraq for no reason whatsoever, "Weapons of mass destruction" only to take more oil. I've pointed this out before in my older posts but you're just assuming nonsense and it's a bit ironic how you started off saying I'm deluded for "attacking Corbyn" when you're assuming a cloud of things I haven't declared just yet in my original comment.
The far right is most certainly on the rise but I'm sick of leftists not admitting their truth that they don't want Jewish people to have a land or a right to live in their own nation. Do I hate the Palestinian people? absolutely not, I am in open arms to accepting peace with them and quiet frankly I bet you many of them have had it with people like you and the far right denying any peace methods all because politics and the media make this out to be a massive big conflict between Jewish people and Muslim people. You have no idea what's going on in either Israel or Palestine and people are sick of having to deal with rockets being fired on both sides. It usually starts with Hamas, a terrorist group, firing rockets at Israel and then goes backwards and forth. That's why there's rarely any issues in the West Bank and only riots over there.
Okay, if Maduro isn't a problem why are you pointing out what this country has done with the Saudis and god knows whatever other countries they've dealt with in the past? you're being a bit hypocritical here and being a "world policeman" yourself. How can you support a man that says Hezbollah, Hamas and even the IRA are his "friends", all of which are terrorist groups. How can you support a man who praises Maduro? you haven't given a response to that. Also if we should focus on domestic affairs, Corbyn and Boris won't do anything to solve the NHS crisis and the knife issue in London. Not anything at all, so if you're so focused on domestic matters, why are you even here criticising Israel in the first place? that's not a domestic issue is it?
Socialists and Facists are the same clowns, you see that terrorist attack that happened last year in Pittsburgh I was affected greatly by it, I don't forget these attacks. The EDL are on the rise just the same way that the AtomWaffen division are also on the rise, but lets not forget the same stupidity from groups like Antifa who openly attack conservatives just for having an opinion. Look at how Antifa shut down Ben Shapiro, who is probably neither left or right winged, why do you think they're shutting him down? At the end of the day, it's the far left and far right demonstrating the stupidity of humans, people that can't get a long because they hate a specific race or gender or whatever. Ever live in peace or go home
The far right is most certainly on the rise but I'm sick of leftists not admitting their truth that they don't want Jewish people to have a land or a right to live in their own nation. Do I hate the Palestinian people? absolutely not, I am in open arms to accepting peace with them and quiet frankly I bet you many of them have had it with people like you and the far right denying any peace methods all because politics and the media make this out to be a massive big conflict between Jewish people and Muslim people. You have no idea what's going on in either Israel or Palestine and people are sick of having to deal with rockets being fired on both sides. It usually starts with Hamas, a terrorist group, firing rockets at Israel and then goes backwards and forth. That's why there's rarely any issues in the West Bank and only riots over there.
Okay, if Maduro isn't a problem why are you pointing out what this country has done with the Saudis and god knows whatever other countries they've dealt with in the past? you're being a bit hypocritical here and being a "world policeman" yourself. How can you support a man that says Hezbollah, Hamas and even the IRA are his "friends", all of which are terrorist groups. How can you support a man who praises Maduro? you haven't given a response to that. Also if we should focus on domestic affairs, Corbyn and Boris won't do anything to solve the NHS crisis and the knife issue in London. Not anything at all, so if you're so focused on domestic matters, why are you even here criticising Israel in the first place? that's not a domestic issue is it?
Socialists and Facists are the same clowns, you see that terrorist attack that happened last year in Pittsburgh I was affected greatly by it, I don't forget these attacks. The EDL are on the rise just the same way that the AtomWaffen division are also on the rise, but lets not forget the same stupidity from groups like Antifa who openly attack conservatives just for having an opinion. Look at how Antifa shut down Ben Shapiro, who is probably neither left or right winged, why do you think they're shutting him down? At the end of the day, it's the far left and far right demonstrating the stupidity of humans, people that can't get a long because they hate a specific race or gender or whatever. Ever live in peace or go home
Wait, are you British? Your first paragraph does not seem to show that you are British.
First of all, I am a Labour supporter and I have been all of my life. I am a Jew, who clearly understands the issues faced within the Party. However, I am not kidding myself in thinking that the right are better than the left, which you seem to have done. You made statements and called Corbyn an anti-Semite which is wrong and dangerous. Many Jewish groups have publicly condemned the rise in anti-Semitism but few have gone to the extent of calling the Labour leader an anti-Semite, just like how few have called Boris Johnson an Islamophobe or racist.
I personally think you are an agent, because your comments are laced with right wing attacks at the left which you try to intertwine with accusations of anti-Semitism.
In your first paragraph, you go against the UK and the US for siding with Russia, China and Saudi Arabia, but then want us to worry about Venezuela. Which one is it? Are we responsible for the world or are we not? I don't think we should be responsible for the world’s problems, we have our own issues of education, security, health, homelessness and so on.
I have never doubted that there are no issues within the left, I was only pointing out that your comments don't seem to have a balanced view on the real issues faced by Jewish people both at home, Israel or abroad.
To your final point, I don't care about Shapiro and I think he is part of the problem and not the solution. I have watched some of his YT videos and I have been appalled by them.
My only advice to you is to tone down the rhetoric. You may think you are doing us a favour by your comments, but we don't need more enemies. Corbyn may go but it does not mean that things change. Just be careful when you write such on a public forum. The real enemies are watching and smiling with joy that we are moving the wrong way.
Original post by Ascend
Politically homeless? They're more than welcome to join the Liberal Democrats.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/jewish-exodus-to-liberal-democrats-expected-at-next-election/
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/jewish-exodus-to-liberal-democrats-expected-at-next-election/
That would be a lot like joining the communist party. You would have to leave your Jewishness at the door.
I personally think you are an agent, because your comments are laced with right wing attacks at the left which you try to intertwine with accusations of anti-Semitism.
What a delusional conclusion. Someone isn't left wing enough for you so they must be an agent?
Original post by Cryoraptor
What a delusional conclusion. Someone isn't left wing enough for you so they must be an agent?
No, they are not and i agree with you. However, there are some people on TSR and IRL, who pretend to pretend to be a member of the Labour Party or left leaning groups, whilst subtly attacking the left. Those people are calling right wing agents. It happens both ways cos there are some people who are left wing agents as well.
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