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I have tried to resolve vertically and I found the vertical component of T1 but with The inextensible string since it doesn’t extend at all its tension I said is 0 therefore I found the upwards component and let it equal 2g because the system is at equilibrium and tried to solve for the extension x and I got 2m which isn’t the correct answer. The solution bank resolved diagonally however I don’t understand what mistake I’ve made resolving vertically.

Any help would be appreciated thanks
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The inextensible string since it doesn’t extend at all its tension I said is 0
You sure about that ?
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You sure about that ?
It says inextensible: not extensible; incapable of being extended or stretched so extension (x) = 0 so using T = (lambda * x )/ l if x= 0 then T = 0 through that string? So it won’t have a vertical component?
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It says inextensible: not extensible; incapable of being extended or stretched so extension (x) = 0 so using T = (lambda * x )/ l if x= 0 then T = 0 through that string? So it won’t have a vertical component?
Im with rdkgames on this one.
Inextensible simply means it wont change its length. Hookes law is not valid (spring), but it does transmit forces (tension).
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Im with rdkgames on this one.
Inextensible simply means it wont change its length. Hookes law is not valid (spring), but it does transmit forces (tension).
So how would I find the tension in the inextensible string or do I have insufficient information so I have to resolve horizontally?
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It says inextensible: not extensible; incapable of being extended or stretched so extension (x) = 0 so using T = (lambda * x )/ l if x= 0 then T = 0 through that string? So it won’t have a vertical component?
Hookes applies only to extensible objects.

You resolve vertically and horiztonally. Two eqns in two tensions. Solve them.
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Hookes applies only to extensible objects.

You resolve vertically and horiztonally. Two eqns in two tensions. Solve them.
And when resolving horizontally how do I find the vertical component of T2 if T2 doesn’t equal 0?
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And when resolving horizontally how do I find the vertical component of T2 if T2 doesn’t equal 0?
T2 * sin(60) is vertical

T2 * cos(60) is horizontal
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T2 * sin(60) is vertical

T2 * cos(60) is horizontal
I resolved horizontally and found an equation solvable for x and I still get x = 2, I don’t see what I’m doing wrong:
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I resolved horizontally and found an equation solvable for x and I still get x = 2, I don’t see what I’m doing wrong:
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When you resolve horizontally and vertically you should get
t_1 cos(30) = t_2 cos(60)
t_1 sin(30) + t_2 sin(60) = 2g

If you resolve diagonally D must be less than 2g. Multiply by cos() rather than divide and you should get x=1/2 which agrees with the horizontal and vertical analysis.

The original force (2g) is always the hypotenuse and the perpendicular components in the directions of t_1 and t_2 are the other two sides, so must both be less than 2g.
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When you resolve horizontally and vertically you should get
t_1 cos(30) = t_2 cos(60)
t_1 sin(30) + t_2 sin(60) = 2g

If you resolve diagonally D must be less than 2g. Multiply by cos() rather than divide and you should get x=1/2 which agrees with the horizontal and vertical analysis.

The original force (2g) is always the hypotenuse and the perpendicular components in the directions of t_1 and t_2 are the other two sides, so must both be less than 2g.
Also if the string PB is inextensible, how does it have tension when its extension is 0?
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Also if the string PB is inextensible, how does it have tension when its extension is 0?
Imagine a single steel rod (inextensible string) from which the 2kg mass is hanging vertically. That would have an upwards force (tension) of 2g and no extension.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...ensible-string
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