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Neckbeard alert!
*sign* Some people are just not ready for a female president, just like all those people who did not vote for Grammy winner Secretary Hillary Clinton!
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Female writer Dr Jung Chang presented Her Imperial Majesty Cixi, the Empress Dowager as a feminist icon. Don't forget the much celebrated HIM Empress Wu as well. There's of course also "The Blood Mary", Her Majesty Mary, The Queen of England and Spain, and her namesake, Mary, Queen of Scots.

In more recent memory, Nobel Peace Prize laureate State Councillor Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister Golda Meir, Baroness Margaret Thatcher, Chief Executive Carrie Lam, Prime Minister Yingluck, Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, First Lady Madame Mao, President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Prime Minister Julia Gillard, President Park, President Dilma Rousseff, and so on.

Having a female leader never meant the country would necessarily enjoy peace and prosperity, the same goes to having a woman in any position. They are not linked. Feminism is just about the equality between the sexes, not about general peace and harmony for everyone.
"Having a female leader never meant the country would necessarily enjoy peace and prosperity"

Neither does her being a woman make her a feminist. I am a woman and I am not a feminist. As you can tell I am very much opposed to this ideology. I do not associate in any way shape or form with feminism. I would take great offence from feminism celebrating or claiming any of my accomplishments in life. To me this would be a lot like a Nazi celebrating my accomplishments because they thought I was white. I do not take kindly to people who measure things in life by colour and sex. Such people are rightfully called sexists and racists.

I agree that feminism is not linked to peace and harmony. I would argue that its contrary to both of these things. I would argue that it is an ideology that is not what it claims to be and that is an ideology used by corrupt women as a means to power and control without merit. It is an ideology that inspires hate, violence and bloodshed and many of the feminists that you cited in your reply are good evidence of this. foremost of these feminists would be feminist icon, mass murdering racist Aung San Suu Kyi who's campaign to ethnically cleanse her country from minorities has resulted in the displacement, rape and death of hundreds of thousands of people.

Feminism is for equality?

Does feminism want fathers and mothers to have the same rights of say in abortion?

I rest my case.

No, feminism is not for equality. feminism is only for equality where equality benefits its interests. It very much opposes equality where equality does not suit it. This whole "feminism is for equality" nonsense, is just facade...a facade that crumbles and falls apart at the slightest bit of criticism ...this is why feminism is allergic to free speech. An accurate description of the pursuit of feminism is not equality, but power and authority at any cost.
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Re your point Fruli:
If feminism meant equality of the sexes, I would be all for it. The fact it seems to concern itself with persuading people that killing babies is alright and that women should always be believed is a far cry from equality or the Suffragette movement.
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Neckbeard alert!
I have to admit they had us in the first half
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Re your point Fruli:
If feminism meant equality of the sexes, I would be all for it. The fact it seems to concern itself with persuading people that this bloke is a woman, that killing babies is alright and that women should always be believed is a far cry from equality or the Suffragette movement.
The suffragettes were just as bad, just as sexist, just as hate filled, just as violent, just as manipulative, just as hypocritical as today's feminists. Have a read through this following article from The New York Times of the opinion of one of the most prominent leaders of the suffragette movement on the Titanic disaster...her opinion was that women's lives should be put before those of men.

https://wizzley.com/static/uploads/e...78.622x621.jpg

and this is nothing...I can write you books about the ugly hate-filled world of the highly sexist, highly racist, violent, perverted, corrupt suffragette movement. Feminism has never changed. Its hypocritical and sexist today and it was hypocritical and sexist 100 years ago...the problem is that most of history today is brought to you by feminists and they will never tell you about those ugly things the suffragettes did...but they were just as bad as today's feminists.

You might find this interesting: did you know that the suffragette movement was disbanded by its leader E. Pankhurst after she was bribed by the conservative government of the time? She then turned the suffragette movement into an agent for the british government to pressure men to fight and die in the first world war...and this is just touching the surface of this despicable movement whom people today think was heroic...when it actually wasn't anything but a group of wealthy, white racist opportunists out for power, money and control and that is all.
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Re your point Fruli:
If feminism meant equality of the sexes, I would be all for it. The fact it seems to concern itself with persuading people that this bloke is a woman, that killing babies is alright and that women should always be believed is a far cry from equality or the Suffragette movement.
Have you seen the latest South Park episode?
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"Having a female leader never meant the country would necessarily enjoy peace and prosperity"

Neither does her being a woman make her a feminist. I am a woman and I am not a feminist. As you can tell I am very much opposed to this ideology. I do not associate in any way shape or form with feminism. I would take great offence from feminism celebrating or claiming any of my accomplishments in life. To me this would be a lot like a Nazi celebrating my accomplishments because they thought I was white. I do not take kindly to people who measure things in life by colour and sex. Such people are rightfully called sexists and racists.

I agree that feminism is not linked to peace and harmony. I would argue that its contrary to both of these things. I would argue that it is an ideology that is not what it claims to be and that is an ideology used by corrupt women as a means to power and control without merit. It is an ideology that inspires hate, violence and bloodshed and many of the feminists that you cited in your reply are good evidence of this. foremost of these feminists would be feminist icon, mass murdering racist Aung San Suu Kyi who's campaign to ethnically cleanse her country from minorities has resulted in the displacement, rape and death of hundreds of thousands of people.

Feminism is for equality?

Does feminism want fathers and mothers to have the same rights of say in abortion?

I rest my case.

No, feminism is not for equality. feminism is only for equality where equality benefits its interests. It very much opposes equality where equality does not suit it. This whole "feminism is for equality" nonsense, is just facade...a facade that crumbles and falls apart at the slightest bit of criticism ...this is why feminism is allergic to free speech. An accurate description of the pursuit of feminism is not equality, but power and authority at any cost.
I didn't even say she was a feminist? I was making an observation, the observation that Bolivia has its first female president.
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Have you seen the latest South Park episode?
Don't watch it I'm afraid
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Re your point Fruli:
If feminism meant equality of the sexes, I would be all for it. The fact it seems to concern itself with persuading people that killing babies is alright and that women should always be believed is a far cry from equality or the Suffragette movement.
You tagged the wrong person! I agree with you though.
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You tagged the wrong person! I agree with you though.
My bad.
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So, 10 months on from Morales government being couped with lies about election irregularities (which people on this thread bought hook line and sinker), MAS look like being back in charge, with Morales successor Arce projected to win more than 50% of the vote at the first stage
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So, 10 months on from Morales government being couped with lies about election irregularities (which people on this thread bought hook line and sinker), MAS look like being back in charge, with Morales successor Arce projected to win more than 50% of the vote at the first stage
As I've said, ballot boxes generally don't vanish in democracies.
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As I've said, ballot boxes generally don't vanish in democracies.
Ballot boxes didn't vanish here. The claims that it was rigged were based off the later votes coming up heavily in favour of Morales but that was always just geography - the later counters, more rural areas, held more MAS supporters. Declaring it rigged off that would be like declaring any Tory GE win rigged because the first couple of seats counted (Sunderland) will still be Labour long after the heat death of the universe. Researchers didn't find any evidence of tampering: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/w...ion-fraud.html


Meanwhile, the elected president having to flee the country after a military takeover is pretty common in coups: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9199361.html

Just take the L and accept it, Bolivia got couped and after many protests, the people managed to re-establish their democracy and overthrow the coup
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Ballot boxes didn't vanish here. The claims that it was rigged were based off the later votes coming up heavily in favour of Morales but that was always just geography - the later counters, more rural areas, held more MAS supporters. Declaring it rigged off that would be like declaring any Tory GE win rigged because the first couple of seats counted (Sunderland) will still be Labour long after the heat death of the universe. Researchers didn't find any evidence of tampering: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/w...ion-fraud.html


Meanwhile, the elected president having to flee the country after a military takeover is pretty common in coups: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9199361.html

Just take the L and accept it, Bolivia got couped and after many protests, the people managed to re-establish their democracy and overthrow the coup
If the OAS says that the MAS have won these elections then I'll gladly accept that, much in the same way I respected the OAS's judgement when they said the 2019 elections were carried out fraudulently.
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So, 10 months on from Morales government being couped with lies about election irregularities (which people on this thread bought hook line and sinker), MAS look like being back in charge, with Morales successor Arce projected to win more than 50% of the vote at the first stage
Are you going to admit that there was NO military coup?

Why did his party manage to send a candidate, win the election, and take office?

Where's the military overthrowing the leftists?
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If the OAS says that the MAS have won these elections then I'll gladly accept that, much in the same way I respected the OAS's judgement when they said the 2019 elections were carried out fraudulently.
Nobody ever said President Morales was not popular, or that he wouldn't have won the election. He would have won the election, and might have needed a run-off.

The fact remains that it was not a military coup.

The right-wing interim president held fresh elections as promised.

She didn't hold on to the presidency. Nor has anyone from the military.

President Morales's party was able to stand in the election, win it, and take office. There was no military coup and Stiff Little Fingers need to admit that he was wrong instead of making a strawman's argument now that's it's proved that there was no right-wing military coup.
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