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Most universities tend to recommend not to work more than 16 hours a week. Mcdonalds are probably doing students a favour by not letting them work 40 hours pw as chances are it will have a negative impact on your degree.
Which is fine and well if you’re incapable of balancing your studying and your work but if you have increased financial needs and you’re capable of balancing work and study it’s not enough money still.
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Most McDonald's are privately owned. So good luck getting anywhere near that amount.
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Most McDonald's are franchises but they still have a base code they have to work to to conform with every other store which includes a minimum pay structure.

As McDonald's is a multi billion pound company, I don't see some form of pay increase as an unreachable target even if 15 quid an hour is too much. May give 10.5 or 11 and no zero hour contracts.
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Would be funny when Mcdonalds sacks each and every single one of them hires agency workers to work for less. Then theyll be back to earning £8ph
Agency workers cost about 1.5 - double a normal worker; you have to pay the worker's wage plus an amount to the agency (or rather the worker gets a cut of the agency's pay). And if you hire one permanently, you have to pay the agency ~£3,000.

They're expected to go into a workplace on day 1 and immediately have the same output as someone who's been there years and trained, but that's not the real world. Employers prefer fully trained personnel they can pay less, hence why it's so hard to get fired and 99% of employees can get away with anything.

There's the benefit that agency workers have no rights, so you can dump them if they're black or you don't like the size of their tits, but you may as well just save money and hire someone you do like on a zero-hours contract.
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Many of them are single owner franchises. They can't afford it.
The fact that workers nationwide are going to be striking means it's a matter for higher ups in the company to deal with, not individual franchise owners.
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Rah thats mad blud. Im friends with an electrical engineer and he earns 15 pounds an hour as fridt grad job. Imagine that salary for working in mcds. Jokes init.
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£15 an hour is ridiculous! Way too high.
I only get paid £9.15 an hour and I’m a dog groomer that works 40 hours a week, a job that requires a skill set and I’m getting paid less than a McDonald’s worker currently 🙄
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why don't they just find another job? They aren't forced to work at maccas.

£9 an hour is fine, above minimum so.
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£15 an hour is ridiculous! Way too high.
I only get paid £9.15 an hour and I’m a dog groomer that works 40 hours a week, a job that requires a skill set and I’m getting paid less than a McDonald’s worker currently 🙄
What unique skill set does a dog groomer require, might i ask?
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why don't they just find another job? They aren't forced to work at maccas.

£9 an hour is fine, above minimum so.
Probably because
a) a fair number are students and young people, not exactly the most employable demographic
b) theyre not overly qualified for other jobs?
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I agree with the comment about ending zero hours contracts.
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(Original post by It's****ingWOODY)
The fact that workers nationwide are going to be striking means it's a matter for higher ups in the company to deal with, not individual franchise owners.
What are bosses higher up in the company supposed to do? Say to the franchise owners "take a smaller profit and double their wage" dont think it works like that.
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(Original post by It's****ingWOODY)
The fact that workers nationwide are going to be striking means it's a matter for higher ups in the company to deal with, not individual franchise owners.
That's not how this works.

The franchise owners pay their wages through their revenue. They can not afford it.
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That isn't how it the labour market works. There are loads of jobs that are easier and more furfilling than a lot of low paid work which pay a lot more. There is little natural justice involved in economic distribution. "Knowing your worth" is just pychological class struggle that is meant to pacify workers. You are "worth" whatever you can get away with. If these workers increase thier leverage and bargining power by organising they increase the value of thier labour.

You can have solidaraity strikes where workers in the same sector or totally different areas go on strike as well. The ultimate version of this is a general strike. You don't even need to have labour that can be withdrawn, anyone can do stuff like block a road.
Have you ever heard of wage driven inflation?
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I wasn't going to explain the obvious since you are all supposed to be educated but most of you don't get it at all. So I'll take one example to spell it out. Someone suggested setting up their own Mc Donalds franchise paying the £15 an hour wages. All overheads will be the same as the other McDonalds ie packaging, the food the drink they sell, the electricity bills, maybe less business rates and rent in a cheaper area of town but on the whole the same. Where do you think this £5 odd extra an hour is coming from plus the extra NI costs? Thin air? Magic money tree? They can't put up the prices of the food because all the other Mc Donalds branches with normal wages and other fast food places will still be charging 60% less.

Say if all Mc Donalds and other fast food places did have a £15 p/hr wage, your food will go up 60%. Can you afford that ? No. Supermarket workers have a 50% pay rise. Food bills up, can you afford that? No. Eventually every worker will need a payrise. A wage spiral. Wage driven inflation. Everything more expensive. Nobody better off. Interest rates will have to rise to defend the falling £, mortgages rocketing. People losing jobs. This is Corbyn socialism folks. Like Labour in the 70s, a bail out from the IMF will be required again. Strikes, 3 day working week, power cuts and high unemployment. Could even go Zimbabwe but I suspect we would remove the guy from office before that happened.
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They can just get a supply of workers who will work for less.
You'd be surprised how true, yet untrue that phrase is. I work in a warehouse atm, naturally, being a warehouse, there really isn't much to the jobs you do. As a result, we also, at least in theory, have this vast supply of workers to choose from.

The issue isn't so much the volume of workers, but rather the volume of COMPETENT workers. I'm not even joking, sometimes we get people in who are so dense that they can't carry out simple tasks like sticking the right labels on boxes or just straight up can't follow any simple instructions at all. Likewise, as this sort of level (which would include McDonalds), you also get a lot of benefits scroungers who aren't willing to work and only turned up because they didn't want their benefits stopped.
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Probably because
a) a fair number are students and young people, not exactly the most employable demographic
b) theyre not overly qualified for other jobs?
A. Most young people don't need a living wage so that argument is out of the window, I have no idea why £9 an hour is a bad wage for a student working part time. If they don't like it they don't have to work there, simple as, there are plenty of other low skill set jobs, none of which are likely to have pay better than £9/hour but.

B. Take it or leave it then, If they don't want the job, don't do it.

Also, dog grooming probably asks for some kind of training or experience with animals or even college course, but I don't think that it comes with a particularly unique skill set? You're taught to do something, then you do it, same way maccas workers are taught to make burgers but to a more impressive extent. Unless I'm completely wrong about the profession, in which case I'd gladly be proven wrong.
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In a way, this illustrates one of the flaws in the leftist mindset: they simply don't understand the world and therefore should never be allowed near positions of influence in it. Sadly, the education business now seems to specialise in removing people's ability to think and turn them into something that reacts only to emotional prodding. Not by accident but by design from people who shouldn't be allowed near positions of influence in society.
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A. Most young people don't need a living wage so that argument is out of the window, I have no idea why £9 an hour is a bad wage for a student working part time. If they don't like it they don't have to work there, simple as, there are plenty of other low skill set jobs, none of which are likely to have pay better than £9/hour but.

B. Take it or leave it then, If they don't want the job, don't do it.

Also, dog grooming probably asks for some kind of training or experience with animals or even college course, but I don't think that it comes with a particularly unique skill set? You're taught to do something, then you do it, same way maccas workers are taught to make burgers but to a more impressive extent. Unless I'm completely wrong about the profession, in which case I'd gladly be proven wrong.
I don't think you can dismiss an entire discussion over living wage with 'most young people don't need a living wage'

I suspect you're also wrong about the profession, WTF do McDonalds staff know about making burgers? As opposed to say, a chef?
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I wasn't going to explain the obvious since you are all supposed to be educated but most of you don't get it at all. So I'll take one example to spell it out. Someone suggested setting up their own Mc Donalds franchise paying the £15 an hour wages. All overheads will be the same as the other McDonalds ie packaging, the food the drink they sell, the electricity bills, maybe less business rates and rent in a cheaper area of town but on the whole the same. Where do you think this £5 odd extra an hour is coming from plus the extra NI costs? Thin air? Magic money tree? They can't put up the prices of the food because all the other Mc Donalds branches with normal wages and other fast food places will still be charging 60% less.

Say if all Mc Donalds and other fast food places did have a £15 p/hr wage, your food will go up 60%. Can you afford that ? No. Supermarket workers have a 50% pay rise. Food bills up, can you afford that? No. Eventually every worker will need a payrise. A wage spiral. Wage driven inflation. Everything more expensive. Nobody better off. Interest rates will have to rise to defend the falling £, mortgages rocketing. People losing jobs. This is Corbyn socialism folks. Like Labour in the 70s, a bail out from the IMF will be required again. Strikes, 3 day working week, power cuts and high unemployment. Could even go Zimbabwe but I suspect we would remove the guy from office before that happened.
But McDonald's could afford to raise the wages in all their restaurants tbh. They make billions each year and they pay their bosses millions in bonuses. A wage hike is not some unreachable target. Its perfectly doable.
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Guaranteed hours I agree with. But £15 an hour? Lmao. That's over £30k a year (8 hours a day, 5 days a week).
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