"We can make our plans, but the LORD determines our steps.” - do we have free will? Watch

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I'm not sure if we have free will if ultimately God is in power.
For this quote's meaning, it said: "It just reaffirmed that God is in control here, and that whatever my plans may be, ultimately God's will for me will happen." So whatever we do is futile in the end then? Like I'll study really hard for a test, but it's God's will for me to not do well - what's the point then? {bad example but you get the idea}.
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In order for that statement to be true, God must exist.
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In order for that statement to be true, God must exist.
That really doesn't answer my question.
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That really doesn't answer my question.
There is a flaw in your question.
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I don’t think it matters as long as we believe we’re in control, in the end it’s what we think we know that really matters lmao
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I believe in God but not fate or "God's will". Thinking in that way is just a way of delegating responsibility to God or some higher order. But in any case we cannot comprehend God's will so we work hard and if we're successful we are and if we're not then we're simply not.
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There is a flaw in your question.
It can't be a flaw if it's subjective beliefs.
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My understanding is this: we chose what to do so we have free will but at the same time God's plan reigns over all. It's a bit of a complicated thing to understand but it's like how light can be both a wave and a particle. One idea contradicts the other but yet they both exist and are true.

I'm a Christian btw.
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(Original post by liaente)
I'm not sure if we have free will if ultimately God is in power.
For this quote's meaning, it said: "It just reaffirmed that God is in control here, and that whatever my plans may be, ultimately God's will for me will happen." So whatever we do is futile in the end then? Like I'll study really hard for a test, but it's God's will for me to not do well - what's the point then? {bad example but you get the idea}.
Remember, God foresaw not Adam and Eve's eatin the apple. They ate the apple not for God's will, but by temptation. Free will's only contingent is temptation. Never be so fatalistic.

(I might have erred in my use of 'contingent', please correct me)
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(Original post by liaente)
I'm not sure if we have free will if ultimately God is in power.
For this quote's meaning, it said: "It just reaffirmed that God is in control here, and that whatever my plans may be, ultimately God's will for me will happen." So whatever we do is futile in the end then? Like I'll study really hard for a test, but it's God's will for me to not do well - what's the point then? {bad example but you get the idea}.
Do people actually believe this garbage? lmao
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Do people actually believe this garbage? lmao
Your ancestors probably believed in it. "LMAO"
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Remember, God foresaw not Adam and Eve's eatin the apple. They ate the apple not for God's will, but by temptation. Free will's only contingent is temptation. Never be so fatalistic.

(I might have erred in my use of 'contingent', please correct me)
Ah I see, but that begs the question - if God is omniscient, wouldn't He have known of this?
And thank you for actually answering my question with no judgement unlike other people who waste mine and their time by commenting stupid things.
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Ah I see, but that begs the question - if God is omniscient, wouldn't He have known of this?
And thank you for actually answering my question with no judgement unlike other people who waste mine and their time by commenting stupid things.
I do not believe God is omniscient for that reason. If it were the case, he would not need to send angels to communicate messages either. I think to enhance the meanin of heaven (and hell) one is left entirely free, to pursue anythin they desire.

I think that concept came about when they realised Christianity can be utilised to control.

Anti-Christian sentiment is common here.
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Your ancestors probably believed in it. "LMAO"
We don't live in the stone ages anymore
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