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Extra time in exams?
Say a person had one of these 'problems', would they in your opinion deserve extra time in their exams? Please state your reasons for each. Or maybe you don't agree with extra time under any circumstances?
Dyslexia
Depression
OCD
Bulimia nervosa
Schizophrenia
Or any others?
Please copy/paste the list and comment next to each.
Dyslexia
Depression
OCD
Bulimia nervosa
Schizophrenia
Or any others?
Please copy/paste the list and comment next to each.
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No Future
Say a person had one of these 'problems', would they in your opinion deserve extra time in their exams? Please state your reasons for each. Or maybe you don't agree with extra time under any circumstances?
Dyslexia
Depression
OCD
Bulimia nervosa
Schizophrenia
Or any others?
Dyslexia
Depression
OCD
Bulimia nervosa
Schizophrenia
Or any others?
I think only dyslexics and maybe shcizophrenics should get extra time but definately not any of the others.
No Future
May I ask why not?
Lol, I knew you'd ask that. Ummm...i think no way for depression - loads of people have it and put up with it and get on with everyday things and it doesnt really affect exams imo. Unless its really, really, really bad. How would extra time help anyway? And for the other two I dont really see why they would warrant extra time, particualarly bulimia which doesnt really affect the exam in any way at all.
Majmun
Lol, I knew you'd ask that. Ummm...i think no way for depression - loads of people have it and put up with it and get on with everyday things and it doesnt really affect exams imo. Unless its really, really, really bad. How would extra time help anyway? And for the other two I dont really see why they would warrant extra time, particualarly bulimia which doesnt really affect the exam in any way at all.
For OCD and bulimia - sufferers may find it hard to focus on the exam and may obsess over things. The bulimic is like a drug addict and concentration can be diffiuclt, plus all the b/ping takes time from their revision. BN is not just a little problem of thowing up every now and again, it takes over people's lives completely and their disorder is all they can think of most of the time.
No Future
For OCD and bulimia - sufferers may find it hard to focus on the exam and may obsess over things. The bulimic is like a drug addict and concentration can be diffiuclt, plus all the b/ping takes time from their revision. BN is not just a little problem of thowing up every now and again, it takes over people's lives completely and their disorder is all they can think of most of the time.
I still don't think these people should have extra time in exams. I think they should concentrate on getting the help they need.
No Future
For OCD and bulimia - sufferers may find it hard to focus on the exam and may obsess over things. The bulimic is like a drug addict and concentration can be diffiuclt, plus all the b/ping takes time from their revision. BN is not just a little problem of thowing up every now and again, it takes over people's lives completely and their disorder is all they can think of most of the time.
I know of many disorders like that. In that case should I get extra time for BDD? I think things like that arent bad enough to stray into the exam hall - most ppl are focused on the exam. And if they suffer that badly should they be takig exams at all?
Majmun
depression - loads of people have it and put up with it and get on with everyday things
umm actually if you're a bit low yet still manage to get on with things then that *isn't* clinical depression
Pencil Queen
umm actually if you're a bit low yet still manage to get on with things then that *isn't* clinical depression
That just proves my point that people with depression that bad wouldnt even be in that situation anyway. Besides my sister is clinically depressed and has been in a psyciatric unit but still she manages to get up and go back to work every single day. People that are clinically depressed dont just sit about being suicidal and crying all the time
No Future
but apart from the mental aspects there are the physical problems: lack of nutrients, electrolyte imbalances etc
I know a severly anorexic girl who sits exams with the normal amount of time. Maybe if they are really ill from it then they should be allowed more time but otherwise I dont see why they should get it
Dyslexia
I don't think this warrants extra time in exams, because as I understand it, dyslexia is something that affects you for life. It will still be with you when you apply for jobs etc, and may well impair one's ability to work in later life. I feel that exam grades should reflect this, and not be altered by the allocation of extra time. To use the best analogy that comes to mind, I'm absolutely awful at drawing - it's hardwired into my brain. I'll always be bad at drawing, but I don't think I should get extra time in a graphics exam. I don't claim to have a condition. I merely claim that I am **** at drawing. (I didn't get extra time in my graphics exam, and got the C that I deserved.)
Depression
This strikes me as a more temporary condition, so it's fairer to give extra time in exams. If you got extra time in an exam due to depression brought on my recent trauma for instance, an employer looking at your grades a few years down the line could be reasonably confident you were over the depression and could work just as well as somebody who did not get extra time in their exams.
OCD
Not sure about this one. Don't really know much about it, but I guess it depends on what your compulsions are, prognosis for the condition etc.
Bulimia nervosa
I don't think this warrants extra time. As long as you don't take food into the exam room, it shouldn't hamper your performance too much. Maybe drink some water and lucozade to keep hydration and blood sugar levels, and therefore concentration, up, if food is out of the question.
Schizophrenia
I think if you're schizophrenic, it's probably best to put off the exams for a year until you're better.
To conclude, I think extra time should be given out freely to anybody that wants it, as long as in all cases, they have to state the amount of extra time they had in BIG RED LETTERS
I don't think this warrants extra time in exams, because as I understand it, dyslexia is something that affects you for life. It will still be with you when you apply for jobs etc, and may well impair one's ability to work in later life. I feel that exam grades should reflect this, and not be altered by the allocation of extra time. To use the best analogy that comes to mind, I'm absolutely awful at drawing - it's hardwired into my brain. I'll always be bad at drawing, but I don't think I should get extra time in a graphics exam. I don't claim to have a condition. I merely claim that I am **** at drawing. (I didn't get extra time in my graphics exam, and got the C that I deserved.)
Depression
This strikes me as a more temporary condition, so it's fairer to give extra time in exams. If you got extra time in an exam due to depression brought on my recent trauma for instance, an employer looking at your grades a few years down the line could be reasonably confident you were over the depression and could work just as well as somebody who did not get extra time in their exams.
OCD
Not sure about this one. Don't really know much about it, but I guess it depends on what your compulsions are, prognosis for the condition etc.
Bulimia nervosa
I don't think this warrants extra time. As long as you don't take food into the exam room, it shouldn't hamper your performance too much. Maybe drink some water and lucozade to keep hydration and blood sugar levels, and therefore concentration, up, if food is out of the question.
Schizophrenia
I think if you're schizophrenic, it's probably best to put off the exams for a year until you're better.
To conclude, I think extra time should be given out freely to anybody that wants it, as long as in all cases, they have to state the amount of extra time they had in BIG RED LETTERS
~ a girl in my year didnt do her final exams cos she was suffering from depression
here in australia..i think for dyslexia u can get ur paper printed with BIG font or even get a reader...not sure
i had extra time cos i have this cyst in my wrist which makes writing v. painful after bout 1/2 hr. it def helped me to finish those exams
seeing my surgeon soon
here in australia..i think for dyslexia u can get ur paper printed with BIG font or even get a reader...not sure
i had extra time cos i have this cyst in my wrist which makes writing v. painful after bout 1/2 hr. it def helped me to finish those exams
seeing my surgeon soon Benamure,
Go to the thread, "Extra time in exams - BAH!" by Peeved-off Pete, click on Page 5, and read my message (This is your wake-up call) about why dyslexic people need extra time in exams and why it is fair to give it to them. I don't want to repeat myself fully here, but...dyslexia is not retardation. Dyslexia is not an indicator of low ability. Dyslexia means that a person processes information in a different way that impacts on their ability to get their intelligence out onto paper. But that doesn't mean the intelligence isn't in there - I can list dozens of famous and highly successful dyslexic people, such as Albert Einstein. (He was expelled from school because of his specific problems.) If a dyslexic person goes into an exam with NO special help whatsoever and comes out with a C, that's not a fair indication of their true ability. That's like telling someone they have an equal chance to win a race, but placing them twenty feet behind the other competitors at the starting line.
And dyslexic people ARE given special provision in the workplace, thanks to the Disability Discrimination Act, so extra time isn't a cushy option after all.
Go to the thread, "Extra time in exams - BAH!" by Peeved-off Pete, click on Page 5, and read my message (This is your wake-up call) about why dyslexic people need extra time in exams and why it is fair to give it to them. I don't want to repeat myself fully here, but...dyslexia is not retardation. Dyslexia is not an indicator of low ability. Dyslexia means that a person processes information in a different way that impacts on their ability to get their intelligence out onto paper. But that doesn't mean the intelligence isn't in there - I can list dozens of famous and highly successful dyslexic people, such as Albert Einstein. (He was expelled from school because of his specific problems.) If a dyslexic person goes into an exam with NO special help whatsoever and comes out with a C, that's not a fair indication of their true ability. That's like telling someone they have an equal chance to win a race, but placing them twenty feet behind the other competitors at the starting line.
And dyslexic people ARE given special provision in the workplace, thanks to the Disability Discrimination Act, so extra time isn't a cushy option after all.
Fireopal,
I read your post, and you raise some good points. I think we differ slightly on our interpretation of ability, especially with regards to intelligence. Your point that dyslexic people can be very intelligent, yet have difficulty expressing their intelligence, is well made.
However, I still believe that people with dyslexia do have impaired ability (not intelligence), due to the dyslexia itself. Surely the allocation of extra time to a candidate in an exam is to compensate for the lowered ability (to read and assimilate text, and to express their thoughts in writing on the exam paper) brought about by the condition. That is why I believe that whilst two A grade candidates, one with extra time and one without, are not equal. They may well be equally intelligent, but not equally able. Although the last statement in my previous post was obviously said partly in jest, to my mind, this is why any extra time given for an exam should be stated whenever the grade is stated.
Now, obviously somebody evaluating two candidates for a position has no right to discriminate against somebody with a condition or characteristic that does not affect their ability to carry out work in said position. However, it is my belief (and I freely admit my knowledge of dyslexia is very limited), that two identical candiates (grades, intelligence, experience etc), with the exception that one has dyslexia and one does not, are not equal.
So if my view isn't clear (which reading my post quickly, it probably isn't, but I have a lecture in 10 minutes), I think extra time is fair enough as long as it's revealed along with the grade in all cases (for all I know this could be mandatory at the moment), but without this rule extra time is unfair, as it fails to take into account what I consider a difference in ability (although, like you said, often not intelligence) between two people.
Ben
I read your post, and you raise some good points. I think we differ slightly on our interpretation of ability, especially with regards to intelligence. Your point that dyslexic people can be very intelligent, yet have difficulty expressing their intelligence, is well made.
However, I still believe that people with dyslexia do have impaired ability (not intelligence), due to the dyslexia itself. Surely the allocation of extra time to a candidate in an exam is to compensate for the lowered ability (to read and assimilate text, and to express their thoughts in writing on the exam paper) brought about by the condition. That is why I believe that whilst two A grade candidates, one with extra time and one without, are not equal. They may well be equally intelligent, but not equally able. Although the last statement in my previous post was obviously said partly in jest, to my mind, this is why any extra time given for an exam should be stated whenever the grade is stated.
Now, obviously somebody evaluating two candidates for a position has no right to discriminate against somebody with a condition or characteristic that does not affect their ability to carry out work in said position. However, it is my belief (and I freely admit my knowledge of dyslexia is very limited), that two identical candiates (grades, intelligence, experience etc), with the exception that one has dyslexia and one does not, are not equal.
So if my view isn't clear (which reading my post quickly, it probably isn't, but I have a lecture in 10 minutes), I think extra time is fair enough as long as it's revealed along with the grade in all cases (for all I know this could be mandatory at the moment), but without this rule extra time is unfair, as it fails to take into account what I consider a difference in ability (although, like you said, often not intelligence) between two people.
Ben
My friend asked for extra time because she hurt her shoulder and it starts hurting if she writes too much. I can understand that but she seemed to say she wanted extra time when the paper was hard and had not finished. It seemed like this because I sat a physics paper with her and the first paper was impossible and I felt I could do with some extra time bcoz it was soo hard so she suddenly asked for extra time, yet in the second paper she finished without extra time, but wouldnt you say that your arm would hurt more after the second exam rather than the first. I say that she didnt ask for extra time in the second paper because it was soo much easier. Neways I'm not complaining too much as I got an A overall and she who was soo much cleverer than me only got a B.
Define "harder". If the first paper had more long questions than the 2nd then of course it would make her arm hurt more. Or even with mathsy questions, you can't progress to the 2nd stage until you've written the first line down. So if she wrote slower then she would need more time.
I had extra time, and didn't always need it. It doesn't necessarily depend on how hard other people think the exam is. Maybe the weather was colder, maybe she slept badly on it the night before, maybe it hadn't had as much time to heal, maybe it was hurting more!
It's not fair to say she only wanted extra time because the exam was harder. You're not your friend so you don't know how it affected her.
I had extra time, and didn't always need it. It doesn't necessarily depend on how hard other people think the exam is. Maybe the weather was colder, maybe she slept badly on it the night before, maybe it hadn't had as much time to heal, maybe it was hurting more!
It's not fair to say she only wanted extra time because the exam was harder. You're not your friend so you don't know how it affected her.
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