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a. to get Brexit done in 12 months actually means virtually no trade deal (bare bones at best) and probably a recession.
b. to get a comprehensive trade deal will take far longer than 12 months.
b. to get a comprehensive trade deal will take far longer than 12 months.
This situation could have been avoided if Brexit wasn't handled terribly during Theresa May's time. Why a remainer was elected by the conservatives to deliver brexit I will never know. If BoJo or another brexiteer became PM after Cameron, we probably would have left by now.
2024 on the other hand is looking very interesting.
Unless the conservatives screw up badly in the next few years and labour has an excellent leader, I don't see them winning in the next decade. After that, today's old generations will be dying off and labour/left wing politics will see a resurgence most likely, unless Gen Z and Gen Alpha become conservative in adulthood and suppress the millennial labour vote which is a possibility.
Original post by Burton Bridge
I know all about him mate, he loves to insult and ridicule. Apparently he tells me it's only me who he does, delusion is a marvellous thing 
Only thing I'd say is I'm pretty close to a Corbyn supporter myself, it's just his horrendous and dishonest brexit policy that's keeping me away. I'd say those traits unflavoursome more neoliberal than socialist.
Only thing I'd say is I'm pretty close to a Corbyn supporter myself, it's just his horrendous and dishonest brexit policy that's keeping me away. I'd say those traits unflavoursome more neoliberal than socialist.
Honestly, if a Labour leader were to come up with a feasible plan that didn't involve insane and unworkable nationalisations and ridiculous spending plans, and wasn't an unlikable person, and was actual leader material, I would probably support them over the conservatives (if you can say I even support them in the first place). It's only because the conservatives are slightly less of a **** show than labour and DON'T have an unrealistic manifesto FOR THE SECOND TIME (you'd think Corbyn would realise his policies didn't work last time and change it up, but instead he doubled down and added even MORE expenses) that I say BoJo is the shiniest turd.
As for brexit, Corbyn is leave. He won't say that though because if he does, he'll kill most of the remain labour vote who will probably go to the lib dems or greens and give tories an even bigger win. Hence why we have this awkward and frankly retarded brexit policy.
Original post by DJKL
Wonder what is going to happen when the electorate discovers that:
a. to get Brexit done in 12 months actually means virtually no trade deal (bare bones at best) and probably a recession.
b. to get a comprehensive trade deal will take far longer than 12 months.
The trouble about peddling a lie is that time tends to unravel the lie and the liar and his/her party eventually suffers the consequences, especially as Labour will not have JC at the helm by then.
2019 looks pretty done and dusted, faint hope of no majority for the Conservatives is all that remains for Labour, 2024 on the other hand is looking very interesting.
a. to get Brexit done in 12 months actually means virtually no trade deal (bare bones at best) and probably a recession.
b. to get a comprehensive trade deal will take far longer than 12 months.
The trouble about peddling a lie is that time tends to unravel the lie and the liar and his/her party eventually suffers the consequences, especially as Labour will not have JC at the helm by then.
2019 looks pretty done and dusted, faint hope of no majority for the Conservatives is all that remains for Labour, 2024 on the other hand is looking very interesting.
You will find out the public don’t care if it goes past 2020 on trade talks. That was for Farage’s benefit
Original post by Napp
So you're admitting that the British worker is fundamentally lazy?
Original post by Napp
Interesting line to take when barracking on about those evil europeans getting British jobs..
Original post by Napp
No it really isnt, mainly because the brexit 'party' is not so much a party but a pressure group, its quite literally in the name.
Hardly, there isnt a hope in hell of this bunch of luddites getting into power, which was my point when i said it cant be implemented, never mind the fact more or less none of them has even a hint of experience in politics thus making it dubious theyd ever be able to even attempt to get these policies implemented, again disregarding the fact them winning as being more than a pipe dream.
Yes, you would wouldnt you.
Hardly, there isnt a hope in hell of this bunch of luddites getting into power, which was my point when i said it cant be implemented, never mind the fact more or less none of them has even a hint of experience in politics thus making it dubious theyd ever be able to even attempt to get these policies implemented, again disregarding the fact them winning as being more than a pipe dream.
Yes, you would wouldnt you.
The Brexit Party is a registered political party. Only an idiot would think it was a pressure group!
Whether they get elected or not is immaterial. My point was the comparison in the manifestos. One is promising you all the toys you want for Christmas but giving you a lump of coal and the other is a realistic manifesto. Even left wing media have laughed at Labour's manifesto.
If you actually take the trouble to read through the Brexit Party manifesto you will see that much of it is in line with what most people in this country want including abolishing the House of Lords - now that would be an interesting subject to have a referendum on.
Original post by QE2
It is entirely likely. I mean, the Toriesactually went up in the polls after the QT Leaders programme. How is that possible? Corbyn was measured, reasonable and cogent while Johnson floundered and blustered and lied. And yet, he said "Get Brexit Done" several times, so all the dog-whistle xenophobes and hard-of-thinking pricked up their ears and had a little sex wee in their pants.
Maybe it's because The People ≠ below the line on the Guardian website.
Original post by Cryoraptor
This situation could have been avoided if Brexit wasn't handled terribly during Theresa May's time. Why a remainer was elected by the conservatives to deliver brexit I will never know. If BoJo or another brexiteer became PM after Cameron, we probably would have left by now.
Unless the conservatives screw up badly in the next few years and labour has an excellent leader, I don't see them winning in the next decade. After that, today's old generations will be dying off and labour/left wing politics will see a resurgence most likely, unless Gen Z and Gen Alpha become conservative in adulthood and suppress the millennial labour vote which is a possibility.
Unless the conservatives screw up badly in the next few years and labour has an excellent leader, I don't see them winning in the next decade. After that, today's old generations will be dying off and labour/left wing politics will see a resurgence most likely, unless Gen Z and Gen Alpha become conservative in adulthood and suppress the millennial labour vote which is a possibility.
I'm in generation Z and a Conservative, we have a Faragist and two other Tories in my year 8. Tulevaisuus on sininen (the future is blue).
Original post by Cryoraptor
And Labour wouldn't cause recessions with their insane spending plans?
As for lib dems, well they are a joke party and/or satirists. At this point I think they are testing the waters to see how many idiots they can attract. I don't believe they legitimately think what they are saying is true. They have become so moronic that lib dems voters actually don't want to vote for them.
As for lib dems, well they are a joke party and/or satirists. At this point I think they are testing the waters to see how many idiots they can attract. I don't believe they legitimately think what they are saying is true. They have become so moronic that lib dems voters actually don't want to vote for them.
Recessions caused by spending ?
That's not how economics works.
The time for government spending to be raised is during a recession, not during the boom phase.
Lol at all the people saying I don't like blah blah of labour policies so I'm voting Conservative. When u have to pay £500 for a check up then we'll see 😂😂😂👌👌👌
Original post by LiberOfLondon
I'm in generation Z and a Conservative, we have a Faragist and two other Tories in my year 8. Tulevaisuus on sininen (the future is blue).
I'm in Gen Z as well and although I'd say I'm centrist, I generally support the conservatives or Faragists over labour. A lot of Gen Z is tory but most of the older generation teachers who were also tory are being replaced by Millennial teachers who are generally left wing and they will surely influence the younger Gen Z. Gen Z will probably be generally centrist while Gen Alpha will be centre-right, which could lead to a centrist rise at some point in the future.
I would say at the end of the day though, Gen Z is much closer to the centre than Millennials, if not a little right in many cases. A lot of people in my school are centre-left labour but that's mostly because my school is left wing and is run mostly by left wing teachers, and so is an outlier. The younger years are generally tory but as they go through the school, the left wing teachers influence them to become centre-left or left. Not to mention most of the outspoken pupils and humanities teachers are mostly all left wing, which also influences their friend circles/year groups.
Original post by Aayush :)
Recessions caused by spending ?
That's not how economics works.
The time for government spending to be raised is during a recession, not during the boom phase.
That's not how economics works.
The time for government spending to be raised is during a recession, not during the boom phase.
They are going to cause economic problems with their spending though. 'Recession' was probably the wrong word to use, although in the long run, Corbyn's spending plans may well cause recessions in the future.
Original post by Burton Bridge
Oh non, absolutely I mean if you dont agree with Corbyns (labours) polices and prefer other more moderate policies, including leaving the European union. You must be stupid and xenophobic!
It obvious and clear as day bow you point it out, it's not like the majority of immigration comes from outside the EU or the majority of leave voters have higher life experiences. Yes they are naive, prejudice fools because they disagree with you
It obvious and clear as day bow you point it out, it's not like the majority of immigration comes from outside the EU or the majority of leave voters have higher life experiences. Yes they are naive, prejudice fools because they disagree with you
You, and many other Ardent Leavers, when pressed, are unable to come up with rational, supportable reasons for leaving.
Now, this in itself does not signify an inherent xenophobia, but to keep insisting on Leave after it has been explained why all your supposed "reasons" are nonsense, does.
Some people may have genuinely believed the guff about £350million for the NHS, or taking back control, or Turkey, or a Euro Army, or whatever. But those people will have now accepted that they had been fooled, that those "reasons" are not valid, and will have changed their minds. There is now only xenophobia or stupidity left to excuse supporting Brexit.
Now, I completely understand that some people aren't comfortable publicly admitting that they are xenophobic, or stupid. I get that.
(BTW, I now suspect that you may actually fall into the latter category rather than the former, which is certainly the lesser of two evils)
Original post by Cryoraptor
I'm in Gen Z as well and although I'd say I'm centrist, I generally support the conservatives or Faragists over labour. A lot of Gen Z is tory but most of the older generation teachers who were also tory are being replaced by Millennial teachers who are generally left wing and they will surely influence the younger Gen Z. Gen Z will probably be generally centrist while Gen Alpha will be centre-right, which could lead to a centrist rise at some point in the future.
I would say at the end of the day though, Gen Z is much closer to the centre than Millennials, if not a little right in many cases. A lot of people in my school are centre-left labour but that's mostly because my school is left wing and is run mostly by left wing teachers, and so is an outlier. The younger years are generally tory but as they go through the school, the left wing teachers influence them to become centre-left or left. Not to mention most of the outspoken pupils and humanities teachers are mostly all left wing, which also influences their friend circles/year groups.
I would say at the end of the day though, Gen Z is much closer to the centre than Millennials, if not a little right in many cases. A lot of people in my school are centre-left labour but that's mostly because my school is left wing and is run mostly by left wing teachers, and so is an outlier. The younger years are generally tory but as they go through the school, the left wing teachers influence them to become centre-left or left. Not to mention most of the outspoken pupils and humanities teachers are mostly all left wing, which also influences their friend circles/year groups.
It’s the opposite for me. Gen Z is heading towards both centre but it’s being split between right and left. As Labour and Conservatives move away from the centre, their supporters move further away from the centre too. Democratic Socialism is the new Left, centrism and being center left is being seen as wanting the status quo. The same applies to being center right with Boris and Trump advocating for conservatives to return to their roots and had towards being hard right.
Original post by Cryoraptor
PRSOM
He is exactly the type of person you'd expect to support Corbyn; the lecturing, 'if you disagree with me you're obviously an idiot/x label' type. Exactly the kind of person Corbyn and his supporters are. If you look at other political threads, he just insults people and their religions. No real arguments.
He is exactly the type of person you'd expect to support Corbyn; the lecturing, 'if you disagree with me you're obviously an idiot/x label' type. Exactly the kind of person Corbyn and his supporters are. If you look at other political threads, he just insults people and their religions. No real arguments.
In which case you will be able to easily dismantle my so-called "arguments" with those of your own. Off you go then. Good luck.
Original post by Burton Bridge
Only thing I'd say is I'm pretty close to a Corbyn supporter myself, it's just his horrendous and dishonest brexit policy that's keeping me away. I'd say those traits unflavoursome more neoliberal than socialist.
OK Einstein. What is "horrendous and dishonest" about Labour's Brexit policy?
(Note: simply being something you disagree with does not qualify)
Original post by ColinDent
I think I might be on the list too Burton but alas, I don't get to see his drivel any longer unless one of you reply to it, poor me 😭😭😭
Hes still following you around talking rammel claiming you dont understand, stupid, confused blar blar.
He just talks rammel, he must know hes talking garbage but it makes him feel something...
Original post by QE2
In which case you will be able to easily dismantle my so-called "arguments" with those of your own. Off you go then. Good luck.
You make no arguments to deconstruct, just sweeping statements. According to you, 52% of the population is xenophobic and idiots. Yeah, you sound exactly like Corbyn and the lib dems to be honest, no wonder you support him.
I've seen you in other political threads and you resort to insulting people who disagree with you. In one debate you started insulting someone's religion when it was completely irrelevant. That is the sound of someone who has no argument to make.
Original post by Professional G
It’s the opposite for me. Gen Z is heading towards both centre but it’s being split between right and left. As Labour and Conservatives move away from the centre, their supporters move further away from the centre too. Democratic Socialism is the new Left, centrism and being center left is being seen as wanting the status quo. The same applies to being center right with Boris and Trump advocating for conservatives to return to their roots and had towards being hard right.
Mostly agree, but BoJo isn't hard right. Misconception. Someone like Jacob Rees-Mogg is a traditional conservative, and we can agree that not even Trump is as conservative as him.
Back onto your point though, I see what you mean by 'centrism and centre left is being seen as wanting the status quo'. One of my criminology teachers (and global politics teacher to a lesser extent) is so left wing that she sees the BBC as being biased towards tories, which if you watched the debate on Friday evening you know is obvious nonsense. If people are so left wing that they see the BBC as right wing, that's a problem.
Original post by AmberDalia
Lol at all the people saying I don't like blah blah of labour policies so I'm voting Conservative. When u have to pay £500 for a check up then we'll see 😂😂😂👌👌👌
That moment you realise the NHS has been in conservative control for two thirds of its existence and that hasn’t come to pass.
Original post by QE2
OK Einstein. What is "horrendous and dishonest" about Labour's Brexit policy?
(Note: simply being something you disagree with does not qualify)
(Note: simply being something you disagree with does not qualify)
The fact that Corbyn won't be honest with people because he knows it will ruin the already dying labour vote. A fair number of labour voters were pro-leave (are they all stupid and xenophobic as well?). If he declares that he's pro-remain, he disillusions the leave labour voters and pushes them towards brexit party. If he says he's pro-leave, he pushes his remain voters towards lib dems and greens. The labour party has no integrity as of late.
Original post by paul514
That moment you realise the NHS has been in conservative control for two thirds of its existence and that hasn’t come to pass.
That and the fact that selling the NHS would be completely illegal.
Original post by paul514
That moment you realise the NHS has been in conservative control for two thirds of its existence and that hasn’t come to pass.
When NHS doctors and nurses are tell u not to vote conservative because of the privatasiation and also lack of funding recently. It's actually already become partially privatised
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