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Still can't see anything on there that shows he supported the IRA. Why don't you actually say what the evidence is, rather than linking to a twitter feed full of different accusations that provide no support for its claims?
people can make their own minds up. if i produce evidence you will just deny it. i know how your lot operate :flute:
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people are not stupid. they can see for themselves what kind of person Tragic Grandpa is.

They can.
Rational people see him as a principled politician with a social conscience.
Spittle-flecked gammons see him as a gun-toting terrorist who wants no nationalise their children and make Dianne Abbott queen.
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please read this carefully if you are thinking about voting for Tragic Grandpa:

https://twitter.com/GuyBarski/status...11656008892416
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people can make their own minds up. if i produce evidence you will just deny it. i know how your lot operate :flute:
You present a proper argument and if I can, I will refute it with evidence.
If you can't present a proper argument, we can dismiss your claims as nonsense.
That's how my lot operate. Your lot should try it.
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They can.
Rational people see him as a principled politician with a social conscience.
Spittle-flecked gammons see him as a gun-toting terrorist who wants no nationalise their children and make Dianne Abbott queen.
we shall see in a few weeks if people have been deceived by his cunning plan.
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You present a proper argument and if I can, I will refute it with evidence.
If you can't present a proper argument, we can dismiss your claims as nonsense.
That's how my lot operate. Your lot should try it.
au contraire; any facts i present will be immediately called into question. that is how you operate. i am not a complete moron
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please read this and make up your own minds

https://twitter.com/GuyBarski/status...11656008892416
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people are not stupid. they can see for themselves what kind of person Tragic Grandpa is.

ok boomer
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Best post in this thread. I've been banging this drum for months. The people that complain about immigrants stealing jobs are the same people who choose not to work and sit on the dole, or couldn't do the jobs themselves.

Lmao, the funniest thing is, I know a Khalid that is a neurosurgeon 😂😂
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It’s just Jeremy Corbyn’s fairytale policies for gullible students. Socialism has failed in every place on Earth but social is ta would say “well that isn’t real socialism”
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This article from the Nursing Times earlier this year shows that not all places on nursing courses are being filled, so your argument is false. Nothing to do with immigration.

One of the main problems is staff retention, due to poor pay and conditions, caused by Tory cutbacks and austerity. Nothing to do with immigrants.
Or they could just stop paying for agency nurses who earn 60% more.....

And I was referring to doctors
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Wrong. They said it was "unlikely" that the proposed taxation would raise sufficient revenue.
And remember that the IFS is just presenting an opinion, and they are an organisation that tends towards the free-market rather than the social justice economy. Other economists present different opinions, and some are critical of the IFS's free-market leanings, so I wouldn't take what they say as gospel. In fact, Robert Peston describes the way that many commentators simply accept whatever the IFS says as "extraordinary".
Highly unlikely is what they said.
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If we were to put more money into there being plenty of training places then the NHS could be better staffed. We need immigrants and more oppertunities to train.
They have opened 5 new schools, it takes ages to get a medical school through from plans to fruition especially the training places outside the academic setting.
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Or they could just stop paying for agency nurses who earn 60% more.....
Yes they could, but that its down to the budgeting of individual health trusts. Nothing to do with immigrants taking British people's jobs.

And I was referring to doctors
So you are claiming that there are qualified, British doctors who cannot find a job in the NHS because of immigrants? Really? Do you have any evidence for this?
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Highly unlikely is what they said.
"In the end, it is unlikely that one could raise the sums suggested by Labour from the tax policies they set out."

Perhaps you were reading a different IFS report?
And remember that other economists think it is feasible.

And don't forget that they also reviewed the Tory manifesto...
"the lack of significant policy action is remarkable."
"Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the 'triple tax lock': part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t."
So basically they are saying that the Tories can't raise the money for even their meagre spending. No one is mentioning that though.
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So you are claiming that there are qualified, British doctors who cannot find a job in the NHS because of immigrants? Really? Do you have any evidence for this?
I didn’t make either of those points
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"In the end, it is unlikely that one could raise the sums suggested by Labour from the tax policies they set out."

Perhaps you were reading a different IFS report?
And remember that other economists think it is feasible.

And don't forget that they also reviewed the Tory manifesto...
"the lack of significant policy action is remarkable."
"Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the 'triple tax lock': part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t."
So basically they are saying that the Tories can't raise the money for even their meagre spending. No one is mentioning that though.
I listened to the guy they always roll out on TV not the report itself. The point still stands he says it’s highly unlikely they can do it.

As for him saying the conservatives aren’t promising much well that’s a political decision the voters can decide if that is appealing to them.

As for what he says about the triple lock on tax he is saying in relation to brexit it is a risk
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I didn’t make either of those points
So what points were you making regarding immigrants and doctors?
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So what points were you making regarding immigrants and doctors?
The exact one I said
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I listened to the guy they always roll out on TV not the report itself. The point still stands he says it’s highly unlikely they can do it.
So the repost doesn't say it, some bloke on the telly did. Fair enough.

As for him saying the conservatives aren’t promising much well that’s a political decision the voters can decide if that is appealing to them.
They aren't promising much and their plans won't raise the required revenue. How is that different to what you were accusing Labour of?

As for what he says about the triple lock on tax he is saying in relation to brexit it is a risk
Nothing to do with Brexit. It is simply saying that the Tories tax plans won't raise enough revenue to pay for the promised increases in public spending.
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