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Staff forced to speak english by mcdonalds

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Reply 20

I think this is quite simply pathetic. I am with McDonalds on this one. In a work place of course English should be the spoken language. If you have to people speaking in cantanise the manager dosn't know what is being said they could he saying all sorts of stuff.

In the staff room the situation is more difficult, but if you are working in some where like McDonalds dealing with the public it has to be assumed you speak good english. Therefore if you speak in your own language in the staff room you are exlcuding people who not speak their language. There is nothing wose than people speaking in a forign language after a you have just had a conversation with them.

At work you need a common protocol for communication and in the UK that is English.

When you go abroad you can speak in your own language amongst your selves but if you want to work abroad say in a french speaking McDonalds you have to speak French its as simple as that.

Reply 21

tommyboy

Urdu-speaking tourist, who cannot speak English very well, goes to McD. and is served by Urdu-speaking employee. However, even though th customer would be much more comfortable communicating his/her order in Urdu to the Urdu-speaking employee, this is technically not possible as the employee has to speak English at all times.



I can't imagine that McDonald's would find it a good policy to punish an employee for speaking in a language other than english when it's in the best interest of the customer. If it would improve customer relations then I'm sure it's not an issue.

Reply 22

I think it just boils down to the fact that it's very rude to exclude other people in the tea room at work - whether that is not talking to them in English, or any other language. People speaking another language should understand this and be considerate of other people's feelings. Why must "rights" always have to replace simply being polite and considerate?
amazingtrade
When you go abroad you can speak in your own language amongst your selves but if you want to work abroad say in a french speaking McDonalds you have to speak French its as simple as that.

And if you and an english speaking friend worked in the same place and had breaks at the same time you'd want to chat in the staff room in english...if there was you, an englsih friend and a french friend on a break then you'd probably speak in either french or english depending if your french was better than the french persons englsih...
And as a matter of principle if any post in this thread contains the phrase "PC gone mad" it will be deleted for unoriginality:tongue:

Reply 25

"As a result, we simply require staff to speak English when working and specifically when talking to customers. During their break times and when in our crew staff rooms, we of course respect an employee's right to converse in whichever language they choose, provided this does not exclude any fellow employees."

- speak whatever language off duty.
- speak English when representing and working for McDonalds.

very clear. entirely reasonable.

<<< A spokesman for the Employment Law Advisory Service in Manchester said: "We think it is potentially discriminatory - only someone of English origin could fully comply >>

Absolute Rubbish.

Reply 26

blissy
I think it just boils down to the fact that it's very rude to exclude other people in the tea room at work - whether that is not talking to them in English, or any other language. People speaking another language should understand this and be considerate of other people's feelings. Why must "rights" always have to replace simply being polite and considerate?


Exactly this why I am annoyed about it. It it totaly different in an organisation say a local chineese take away, if all the members who work there speak cantanise then that is their right to do so. The problem with McDonalds is so many different languages are probably spoken by the staff if a language other than english is spoken it would exclude others. I think it is just plain rude.

PQ - I have no problem with that, if two urdo people at McDonalds went for their break at the same time and there was nobody else in the room then speaking in Urdu should be fine. Its just when others arive it would automaticaly exclude them. I just can't see why that sign was any more racist than people speaking in a foreign language in a staff room when there are other people who do not understand that language present.

PS This is Euroism gone mad :tongue:

Reply 27

katiesado
I can't imagine that McDonald's would find it a good policy to punish an employee for speaking in a language other than english when it's in the best interest of the customer.[\QUOTE]

No, neither can I, to be fair.

Reply 28

even when everyone speaks english in the break room you aren't obligated to include everyone so asking them to do it in this instance is a bit much. it should be encouraged to create a nice friendly work environment but should only be enforced as policy out on the work floor.

Reply 29

Who cares? They are in england, it would surely help if they could speak the predominant language!! Oh and before any small minded **** starts anything when i am abroad i do try to speak the local language. However I gave up when i was in america, they say they speak english, do they ****, its bloody incomprehensible, need to get a book on american before i go there again.

Reply 30

It's ridiculous to insist employees speak English to customers at all times, particularly in Manchester. Not everyone speaks English and if a customer doesn't speak English and an employee speaks the customer's language then why shouldn't the employee speak to the customer in their own language? Isn't that customer service?

Most bilingual's have a better knowledge of one language than another, and some people only have vocabulary for certain items in one language.

Reply 31

way i see it...if i moved to france and got a job i'd make sure i was fluent in french first. its ignorant to expect to be able to speak english in a country that doesnt use that language.

Reply 32

Surely people should be allowed to speak whatever language they like? :confused:

I rarely speak anything other than German to my mum. Even when I am in town? Is this a problem? Should I only speak English to her because we're in England? At school I spoke German to the German people. I spoke French to the French person.

The only way in which I see McDonalds having a fair point is when it comes to productivity. Obviously in an environment such as the shop floor which is fast-paced and rather stressful, clear communication is essential. It is much easier to ask people to speak in one language.

On breaks however, people should be allowed to speak any language to each other they like. Freedom of speech should cover the language this "speech" is made in.

Reply 33

technik
way i see it...if i moved to france and got a job i'd make sure i was fluent in french first. its ignorant to expect to be able to speak english in a country that doesnt use that language.


Well, yes and no. My wife's first language is Polish so she doesn't tend to conduct conversation in English when she is dealing with other Poles at home or at work.

It would seem a bit daft if another Pole needed to talk to my wife in the workplace and despite English being their second language they struggled on with it anyway. Obviously they're going to switch to Polish.

Reply 34

sashh
It's ridiculous to insist employees speak English to customers at all times, particularly in Manchester. Not everyone speaks English and if a customer doesn't speak English and an employee speaks the customer's language then why shouldn't the employee speak to the customer in their own language? Isn't that customer service?

Maybe, but mcdonalds are capable of deciding which they'd prefer.

Reply 35

englishstudent
Is this a problem?


my personal experience in manchester tells me it is. there is alot of tension in manchester by what white/black people regard as asian "unwillingness to integrate." I've had things like "**** off, soon this is going to be pakistan" sprayed on my house. It's certainly one of the most obnoxious things when a few people start talking in Urdu nearby.

Reply 36

fishpaste
my personal experience in manchester tells me it is. there is alot of tension in manchester by what white/black people regard as asian "unwillingness to integrate." I've had things like "**** off, soon this is going to be pakistan" sprayed on my house. It's certainly one of the most obnoxious things when a few people start talking in Urdu nearby.


Ah well then. There's no problem. We should just let the paranoid and ignorant few dominate our society. :confused: :rolleyes:

No thanks! I will speak to my mother in German both in private and in public. If someone is closed-minded enough to be offended and feel we are threatening the sovreignty of this country then tough sh*t. Equally if I was Asian I would speak to my mates, friends and family in Urdu or whichever language we spoke.

There is a HUGE difference between intergration and assimilation. Integration allows individuality. Part of this individuality comes from language and culture. I just enjoyed a meal out at an Indian restaurant - the waiters spoke to us in English and themselves in Hindi or Urdu. Why should that bother me? The type of person who would get annoyed about this, is the type of Sun-reading twit who hasn't mastered English let alone been open-minded enough to learn another.

Reply 37

englishstudent
Ah well then. There's no problem. We should just let the paranoid and ignorant few dominate our society. :confused: :rolleyes:

No thanks! I will speak to my mother in German both in private and in public. If someone is closed-minded enough to be offended and feel we are threatening the sovreignty of this country then tough sh*t. Equally if I was Asian I would speak to my mates, friends and family in Urdu or whichever language we spoke.

There is a HUGE difference between intergration and assimilation. Integration allows individuality. Part of this individuality comes from language and culture. I just enjoyed a meal out at an Indian restaurant - the waiters spoke to us in English and themselves in Hindi or Urdu. Why should that bother me? The type of person who would get annoyed about this, is the type of Sun-reading twit who hasn't mastered English let alone been open-minded enough to learn another.


Quite right - emminently sensible. Only people who would feel threatened in this situation are those who are paranoid or those who have not travelled widely and often beyond the confines of their own countries.

Reply 38

englishstudent
The type of person who would get annoyed about this, is the type of Sun-reading twit who hasn't mastered English let alone been open-minded enough to learn another.


The type of people who are annoyed by that are teachers, managers and other students clearly as my experiences and the article demonstrates. Not the sun reading twits you'd like to condemn them to being.

Reply 39

fishpaste
The type of people who are annoyed by that are teachers, managers and other students clearly as my experiences and the article demonstrates. Not the sun reading twits you'd like to condemn them to being.


Teachers, managers and students get annoyed by Indian waiters speaking their own language?

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