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Staff forced to speak english by mcdonalds

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Reply 40

englishstudent
Teachers, managers and students get annoyed by Indian waiters speaking their own language?


It certainly was when I was in a takeaway and one of the staff said something to the effect of "don't give the white guy the good chicken." I knew because I'm familiar with common words for "white guy" and variations of the word which are used when it's thought that white guy might recognise the most common word. And my fluent mate happened to be around the corner and the guy serving me had forgotten.

Reply 41

fishpaste
It certainly was when I was in a takeaway and one of the staff said something to the effect of "don't give the white guy the good chicken." I knew because I'm familiar with common words for "white guy" and variations of the word which are used when it's thought that white guy might recognise the most common word. And my fluent mate happened to be around the corner and the guy serving me had forgotten.


Ah well that's conclusive then. They tried to give you crap chicken... :eek: at a takeaway... :eek: never.... :eek: :rolleyes:

Well actually I agree. There should be regulations stopping people speaking anything other than English. You have convinced me. :rolleyes:

Reply 42

englishstudent
Ah well that's conclusive then. They tried to give you crap chicken... :eek: at a takeaway... :eek: never.... :eek: :rolleyes:

Well actually I agree. There should be regulations stopping people speaking anything other than English. You have convinced me. :rolleyes:


Oh whatever. I'm merely saying companies should be allowed to request that their employees only speak english on their paid time (including breaks). Or similarly, teachers should be allowed to tell their pupils to speak in english. Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm saying the staff in a restaurant should speak english by law. Merely that the company should be able to demand they do if they feel it would result in better customer relations. As blatantly it's not in the company's interest when their employees use mildly offensive nicknames for white people around customers, some of whom are going to recognise the word.

Reply 43

technik
way i see it...if i moved to france and got a job i'd make sure i was fluent in french first. its ignorant to expect to be able to speak english in a country that doesnt use that language.


It takes years to become fluent in another language, you're really going to spend years studying a language so you can go there and work at the McDonalds? The people at McDonalds are *usually* less educated and therefore don't have any prior knowledge of the language and are poorer and have less access to the means to learn the language. It's ignorant to expect a poor uneducated immigrant to have a brilliant grasp of english right away or to abandon their native language in favor of yours.
If you say we shouldn't travel or go to new places without learning the language first then we would never go anywhere and we'd all be ignorant and wouldn't know anything about other cultures.
The fact is that you CAN go all over the world and find people who speak English. I should know.

Reply 44

fishpaste
I'm merely saying companies should be allowed to request that their employees only speak english on their paid time (including breaks). Or similarly, teachers should be allowed to tell their pupils to speak in english. Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm saying the staff in a restaurant should speak english by law. Merely that the company should be able to demand they do if they feel it would result in better customer relations. As blatantly it's not in the company's interest when their employees use mildly offensive nicknames for white people around customers, some of whom are going to recognise the word.


I agree entirely and will add that if the company feels an english only policy will improve employee relationships and productivity then it's their right. If the employees don't like the policy or are unable to abide by it it's within the companies rights to fire them.

Reply 45

katiesado
I agree entirely and will add that if the company feels an english only policy will improve employee relationships and productivity then it's their right. If the employees don't like the policy or are unable to abide by it it's within the companies rights to fire them.


What about sign language? If you are a deaf sign language user should you be forced to try to speak English? what if you are a hearing sign language user working with a deaf sign language user?

Reply 46

sashh
What about sign language? If you are a deaf sign language user should you be forced to try to speak English? what if you are a hearing sign language user working with a deaf sign language user?


why make this so complicated? I'm sure if a company is truly an equal opportunity employer they'd do what was necessary to accomodate them if they can communicate no other way. A deaf person who was unable to communicate with customers or fellow employees probably wouldn't get hired in the first place.

Reply 47

fishpaste
It's certainly one of the most obnoxious things when a few people start talking in Urdu nearby.

You've obviously led a very sheltered life.

Reply 48

katiesado
I agree entirely and will add that if the company feels an english only policy will improve employee relationships and productivity then it's their right. If the employees don't like the policy or are unable to abide by it it's within the companies rights to fire them.

I think you will find that MacDonald's- or any other company employing cheap unskilled labour- is far more concerned about other things than whether their employees speak the "wrong" language now and then. In fact, they may be worried about what they say about Macdonalds' policies and nasty things like recruiting for unions rather than any employee relationships.

Reply 49

Surely if you are a deaf sign language user then you shouldn't be working in mcdonalds anyway?? I don't mean that in a harsh way but i don't see how you're supposed to communicate with customers in the first place if you're deaf and normally communicate using BSL???

Reply 50

Bekaboo
Surely if you are a deaf sign language user then you shouldn't be working in mcdonalds anyway?? I don't mean that in a harsh way but i don't see how you're supposed to communicate with customers in the first place if you're deaf and normally communicate using BSL???


well not all staff take customers orders, mcdonalds also employ office staff, drivers, maintenance staff .................

Deaf people do buy mcdonalds but this ban would prevent a hearing signer from communicating in BSL with a deaf customer .............. it's ridiculous.

Reply 51

Fair enough that they ask staff to speak english to customers unless say a customer was having difficulty and their natural tongue was the employees mother tongue. Bit harsh to insist that they use english on their breaks.

Reply 52

Weejimmie
You've obviously led a very sheltered life.


What makes you come to this conclusion? (it's not true)

Reply 53

frost105
Fair enough that they ask staff to speak english to customers unless say a customer was having difficulty and their natural tongue was the employees mother tongue. Bit harsh to insist that they use english on their breaks.


not if they're in an employee staffroom especially around non urdu speakers. such situations cause all sorts of tension and are terrible for employee-employee relations.

Reply 54

fishpaste
not if they're in an employee staffroom especially around non urdu speakers. such situations cause all sorts of tension and are terrible for employee-employee relations.

Yeah that is true though people should be more considerate in situations like this and involve everyone in conversations

Reply 55

frost105
Yeah that is true though people should be more considerate in situations like this and involve everyone in conversations


Hence why the manager demanded it.

Reply 56

Staff forced to speak english by mcdonalds

Too right.

Reply 57

fishpaste
What makes you come to this conclusion? (it's not true)

What you wrote: "
fishpaste
It's one of the most obnoxious things when a few people start talking in urdu nearby.

Not only have you led a very shelterd life, you've got a very limited imagination if you can't imagine many things much more obnoxious than that.

Reply 58

Weejimmie
What you wrote: "
Not only have you led a very shelterd life, you've got a very limited imagination if you can't imagine many things much more obnoxious than that.

I really don't see your point. Yes I could possibly imagine things more obnoxious than that. Spitting on someone's face then using their eyeballs to extinguish your cigarette, perhaps. But short of the ridiculous, I've found (through alot of insight) that very few things cause tension within a group of people like a subgroup of them talking in a different language that others can't understand.

Reply 59

fishpaste
I really don't see your point. Yes I could possibly imagine things more obnoxious than that. Spitting on someone's face then using their eyeballs to extinguish your cigarette, perhaps.
Then why say "one of the most obnoxious" things?
But short of the ridiculous, I've found (through alot of insight) that very few things cause tension within a group of people like a subgroup of them talking in a different language that others can't understand.
Well, I've found, through a lot of observation, that most people don't give a twopenny damn.

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