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Staff forced to speak english by mcdonalds

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Reply 60

It's pretty pathetic in my view, I mean your asking a person not to talk in their own mothertongue and denying them the right to freedom of speech (in any language bar english of course). When it comes to productivity surely it makes sense to allow employees to talk hindi, urdu whatever to another hindu/pakistani employee because they will understand commands better, then if one gives a command to an english employee he can talk in english. As for breaks, thats taking it too far. I'm Hindu and I would find it better to chat in english personally to ethnic friends but thats only because its my first language. Now there are some chinese friends who talk in chinese even when i'm around them and i found it uncomfortable at first but seeing as its their first language I'm now fine with it. In tea breaks if an urdu employee wants to chat to you then they will, if not then they should be allowed to chat to their mates in whatever language they want, its not rude its just the white employee getting paranoid thinking the others are probably talking about him/her and if they are then tough s**t really, its just like offending them in english it wouldn't make much difference apart from a confrontation and to be honest in a place like McDonalds theres not much room for childish name calling or insults. :smile:

Reply 61

I'm Norwegian, studying in England, and I do try to speak English most of the time, but as English is not my first language there are certain things I simply do not know how to express in English. So when I am speaking with my Swedish boyfriend for instance, I have to use some Norwegian words. And I seriously dont see how that is offensive to other people. If I can't say something in English, should I just shut up?

Reply 62

Linda
I'm Norwegian, studying in England, and I do try to speak English most of the time, but as English is not my first language there are certain things I simply do not know how to express in English. So when I am speaking with my Swedish boyfriend for instance, I have to use some Norwegian words. And I seriously dont see how that is offensive to other people. If I can't say something in English, should I just shut up?


Yes. :wink:

Reply 63

I'm not surprised. McDonalds isn't exactly renowned for treating its staff well!
Which is why I never darken its doors.
Last week a friend suggested we go there and my response was: 'Sure. We'll have a meal between us. You can eat the food and I'll eat the packaging. I'm sure the latter will be far more nutritious.'

Reply 64

This is politically correctness gone mad. Of course the staff should be forced to speak english. They have a job in this country. The vast majority of staff and customers can only speak English. It's rude to talk about people behind their back so is it not also rude to talk in another language, where others have no idea what you're saying?

Reply 65

Agree with Gaz. Health and safety issues here too.

Reply 66

MrsJones
Agree with Gaz. Health and safety issues here too.


Yeah shouting 'FIRE' to an employee who doesn't know the word and not being allowed to shout it in a language they do understand, very safe.

Reply 67

manwel (?) didn't seem to understand when Basil shouted fire at him. Ended up burning his hands. Now in real life that would have ended up in a claim.

Reply 68

Gaz031
This is politically correctness gone mad. This is unthinking cliche-mongering gone mad. It's lousy English too.
Of course the staff should be forced to speak english. They have a job in this country. The vast majority of staff and customers can only speak English.
The amount of english required to serve and "cook" Macdonalds' meals is minimal, like their wages. As long as people understand "Big Mac and fries" and the other variants, and to panic when everyone else does, they needn't bother with much more. The common delusion that if you can't understand what people say they're being rude about you is a sign of both vanity and incipient paranoia. Always remember: no-one else is as interested in you as you are.

Reply 69

Whilst it only makes sense that staff speak English to the customers I think it is ridiculous to insist that they use the language when talking to each other on their break.

I understand that this is one way of forming a 'clique', but why must we assume that this is their intention? Should we ban staff from using English words that others don't understand?

I think people's overall body language and the way they behave around others reflects whether their social groups are 'open' or not much more than the language they're speaking.

Posts that simply say "too right" without giving any argument demonstrate the prejudice British people have against other cultures. This contributes to and also results from the woeful standard of foreign-language education in this country.

Reply 70

This is unthinking cliche-mongering gone mad. It's lousy English too.

Perhaps if you stopped to think you'd realise it's a cliche for a reason. These ridiculous arguments are in direct violation of common sense.
I do dislike the growing 'txt' culture but i find that it's okay to use more casual and informal English (such as i'm using now) on an internet message board. Surely these boards are a place for 'debate and discussion.' They aren't a place to show off the extent of your vocabulary.

The amount of english required to serve and "cook" Macdonalds' meals is minimal, like their wages.

It's important for all staff and customers to be able to understand each other. Standard English should be used. We have to use common sense where appropriate. Surely you wouldn't employ someone with a tendency to talk in a foreign language or with an accent at a call centre?

As long as people understand "Big Mac and fries" and the other variants, and to panic when everyone else does, they needn't bother with much more.

Dangers and accidents don't always instantly occur. If staff members constantly talk in fluent English surely there's a greater chance of averting possible disasters.

The common delusion that if you can't understand what people say they're being rude about you is a sign of both vanity and incipient paranoia. Always remember: no-one else is as interested in you as you are.

I believe it's rude to whisper in front of people. The use of different languages is a similar thing. The fact is that some people don't like others talking in a foreign language that they can't understand. If customers don't like this surely you can't blame the company for taking action as they could lose potential profits.

Reply 71

There is also an assumption here that there is one language choice apart from English.

What if there are five staff, all talking different languages?

I'm hesitating to write this, such is the PC nature of this country, but this is England, we speak Engilish.

Reply 72

If they don't like McDonald's policy why don't they leave? Who is forcing them to work there? In fact, who forced them to come to Britain?

By all means they can speak a language other than English at home, or anywhere outside of work for that matter, but while at work they must abide by the company's rules. At the same time, foreigners who insist on living in a country must try to integrate themselves as much as possible. This includes learning the language and embracing the values and culture of the country. As I said before - if they don't like it, why don't they leave?

Even though I hate McDonald's, they are entitled to set guidelines that are within the law. But it makes sense. When in England, speak English!

Reply 73

Weejimmie
I think you will find that MacDonald's- or any other company employing cheap unskilled labour- is far more concerned about other things than whether their employees speak the "wrong" language now and then. In fact, they may be worried about what they say about Macdonalds' policies and nasty things like recruiting for unions rather than any employee relationships.


I agree their motivations might not simply be better productivity and less friction between employees but even so it's still within their rights as a company to implement an english-only policy while on duty or representing the company. As long as it's not in violation of any laws the company has the right to implement and fire those who can't or refuse to comply. That's my point.

Reply 74

padraic
If they don't like McDonald's policy why don't they leave? Who is forcing them to work there? In fact, who forced them to come to Britain?



Who said they were not British? Not all British people speak English as a first language. Quite a few people who did learn English as a mother toungue speak other languages - evening classes are full of people learning new languages.

The DVLA tried to implement an English only at work policy - that soon bit the dust - but then they are based in Wales.

Reply 75

sashh
Who said they were not British? Not all British people speak English as a first language. Quite a few people who did learn English as a mother toungue speak other languages - evening classes are full of people learning new languages.

The DVLA tried to implement an English only at work policy - that soon bit the dust - but then they are based in Wales.



That still doesn't take away from my point. If they are not prepared to speak the official language of a country when required by their employers, who is stopping them from leaving the country? In Wales, Welsh is an official language isn't it? As with Irish here in Ireland. So it's a completely different situation there.

Reply 76

padraic
That still doesn't take away from my point. If they are not prepared to speak the official language of a country when required by their employers, who is stopping them from leaving the country?


That's hardly the point. Are you saying that we should bend to all authority? The fact of the matter is that the request seems unnecessarily draconian; what harm will speaking another language during a break cause?

Reply 77

padraic
If they are not prepared to speak the official language of a country when required by their employers, who is stopping them from leaving the country?


People do not want to lose their job and move to an entirely new country when they've already esablished a life here. Especially if the only reason for doing so is a facile rule that affects their lunch breaks.

I think you should seriously consider the implications of what you say - what kind of upheaval you would suffer if you were to emigrate? Saying, 'If they don't like it, why don't they just leave?' is an insensitive and selfish response.

Reply 78

Gaz031
Perhaps if you stopped to think you'd realise it's a cliche for a reason.
Yes. It's a cliche because it saved you thinking about what you wrote.
These ridiculous arguments are in direct violation of common sense.
Precisely.
I do dislike the growing 'txt' culture but i find that it's okay to use more casual and informal English (such as i'm using now) on an internet message board. Surely these boards are a place for 'debate and discussion.' They aren't a place to show off the extent of your vocabulary.
I am not discussing your limited vocabulary, but your taste for cliches- the unthinking use of ready-made phrases. As one purpose of debate and discussion is to persuade other people that you are right you might find it useful to think before you type.
It's important for all staff and customers to be able to understand each other. Standard English should be used. We have to use common sense where appropriate. Surely you wouldn't employ someone with a tendency to talk in a foreign language or with an accent at a call centre?
People in call centres often use foreign accents: they're often Indians mimicking British- foreign to them- accents. The amount of mutual understanding necessary in Macdonalds is not high. Beyond that, it doesn't matter which language people use to communicate with one another.

Dangers and accidents don't always instantly occur. If staff members constantly talk in fluent English surely there's a greater chance of averting possible disasters.
Dangers never occur instantly. Accidents always do, when dangers have been disregarded. Equally, if someone doesn't know the english term for a dangerous situation, they may not mention it.


I believe it's rude to whisper in front of people. The use of different languages is a similar thing.
Not at all. People may use their first language naturally with a fellow-speaker. Courtesy is all very well, but it takes it a little far when it consists of deference to paranoia.
The fact is that some people don't like others talking in a foreign language that they can't understand. If customers don't like this surely you can't blame the company for taking action as they could lose potential profits.
As far as I can tell, this was inspired by a junior manager, not by customers: after all, if staff were talking among themselves then- by your concept of politeness- customers shouldn't listen.

Reply 79

MrsJones
There is also an assumption here that there is one language choice apart from English.

What if there are five staff, all talking different languages?

I'm hesitating to write this, such is the PC nature of this country, but this is England, we speak Engilish.
Then they would speak English because it is the common language. If there are two people who share one language they may make talk to each other in it now and then. Why not? I did so in English with English-speaking people abroad and no-one cared. There is the English delusion that anyone who speaks a language other than English is stupid- if their English is poor- or arrogant- if their english is good- or both. I don't think it is a good idea to encourage or institutionalise this.

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