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I don't understand? it baffles me
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I don't understand? it baffles me
Could be any of a multitude of reasons, but since you've lumped every single one of them into one homogeneous bloc rather than treat a group of people as the nuanced collective they are, and assumed they all vote the same way which evidence doesn't back up, I doubt you'd understand if someone actually did come along and give you various answers.
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Because the parties no longer field policies that appeal to people based on class. If you are a Brexiteer and can stomach Boris, you are going to vote Tory regardless of your job.

If you are an ideologist and probably young and impressionable Labour is for you.

And forv everyone else it comes down to the least worst candidate.
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Because the parties no longer field policies that appeal to people based on class. If you are a Brexiteer and can stomach Boris, you are going to vote Tory regardless of your job.

If you are an ideologist and probably young and impressionable Labour is for you.

And forv everyone else it comes down to the least worst candidate.
It could be the local PMs whatever party has done a lot for local area for example crossing outside schools keeping libraries and day care centres open. If you ask votes in areas were the PM is know and has done thing to help local people they often say don't like political parties but local PM does a good job and works hard and will vote for that party.
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Its because working people get punished by Labour for doing the right thing i.e working and paying tax! If you dont work and have bludged welfare for decades which millions have for decades in this country then clearly when Labour is promising a magic money tree of unlimited welfare then you are going to vote for them right?
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they think they’ll be rich
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Could be any of a multitude of reasons, but since you've lumped every single one of them into one homogeneous bloc rather than treat a group of people as the nuanced collective they are, and assumed they all vote the same way which evidence doesn't back up, I doubt you'd understand if someone actually did come along and give you various answers.
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Its because working people get punished by Labour for doing the right thing i.e working and paying tax! If you dont work and have bludged welfare for decades which millions have for decades in this country then clearly when Labour is promising a magic money tree of unlimited welfare then you are going to vote for them right?
your thoughts on people on benefits tells me exactly how impressionable you are. don’t believe everything you read.
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if you want a generalised/stereotypical answer:
• a lot of working class people seem to believe the racist rhetoric of “immigrants are stealing our jobs”
• many working class people don’t go to university or even continue on in education until they’re 18 (even though it is law) as many have to work to support themselves/family so they miss out on education
• seem to think the superrich care about them?? idk
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Labour is not for the working class (it may have been in the past, but not today). Due to the massive amount of spending, taxes for the working class will increase but this will not affect the rich. This is why many insanely rich people are in fact Labour supporters (e.g. JK Rowling)

Labour's main voting body is students, teachers, "celebrities" and immigrants due to their pledge to remove tuition fees (which they introduced in the first place), tackling of green issues, and general progressivism, and open door immigration policies. These are not things a lot of working class people can relate to or want. Labour and Lib Dem are almost indistinguishable, hence Conservative is the only other option.

A lot of the working class also support Brexit and Labour is pro EU (at least, its MPs are, who knows about Corbyn), which is why many traditional Labour voters will vote Brexit Party instead, though many will never vote Tory.
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your thoughts on people on benefits tells me exactly how impressionable you are. don’t believe everything you read.
I don't think Prince Philip give a good impression of people on benefits.
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I remember a few years ago when the idea of being in work should make you better off than being on welfare and the 'welfare gang' were up in arms about how it was a breach of their human rights not to be able to live their life completely work free from cradle to grave at the expense of fools that work and pay tax.

Even with welfare reform what little there was nothing has changed they are still living at the expense of others so whatever changes were instigated had little effect. Their benefit income is tax free and guaranteed. I remember telling friends in the US that there are great swathes of the population living in rent free properties funded by benefit in some parts of the country that are completely unaffordable to the working man like zone 1 Central London. What sort of example does that send to future generations? Graft and strive in work for years on end wasting years paying exhorbitant rents as you cant afford to buy having nothing to show for it at the end of the month because of tax etc or simply leave school claim housing benefit and acquire a cushy council flat with minimal rent that you dont have to pay for anyway in parts of London e.g Kensington, Westminister that working people can never afford to live in! What is this world coming to? Then some have the nerve to sublet these places as they want even more cash on top of that the Gov gives them to as it is!

I have a friend who is a GP and he was telling me all the ways those on benefits try to scam the system like claiming to be on the sick for acne! Even a FOI request has shown a good few thousand citing acne as the reason for claiming wtf. Also he said a lot dont even bother showing up to medicals as they know the game is up. The classic excuse is 'the thought of me having to work gives me anxiety' - well how do the rest of us feel? Am sure we would all prefer to watch Sky all day interspersed with swigging cans of Stella to pass the time as you do.

The reason why socialism fails is 'that with socialism eventually you run out of other peoples money'. Essentially the game is up this group of people should simply be told no more claiming other peoples money with impunity - here is a job either take it knowing you will be better off than welfare or no more handouts. Money saved on welfare should result in lower tax rates needed resulting in more take home income for those that work. Clearly those that choose a life of worklessness due to the financial benefits it brings should be hit hardest to the point that they have no choice to carry on with such an existence.
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Because the turkeys like to vote for Christmas
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You need to split it into sections:

Economically? Most working class are idiots for voting tory, bar a few exceptions, they would be financially better off under a more liberal goverment.

But while you may be only looking at it from that perspective, there are two more in play in this election:

Societally? Actually the working class are more conservative in their attitudes than the middle-classes. They are far more anti-LGBT, anti-immigration, anti-feminist etc. Than the working class.. and the further left that labour pushes, the more of them it looses in this regard.

But the third thing, special to this and recent elections is obviously brexit. Workign class peopel vote overhwelmingly for brexit, and currently Labour are not a brexit-supporting party.

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So right now if your working class?

Financially - vote labour
Societally - vote Conservative
Brexit - vote conservative

If it were purely logic based, most working class would be split and many would vote tory.. its not though, and loyalities are hard to die. most will still vote Labour even if they don't like Corbyn or more than half of his ideas, because they would die before voting Tory.
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Gotta vote for somebody...
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I don't understand? it baffles me
The working poor know the value of hard work, they don’t like seeing money thrown at the minority of dossers who milk the system.

On an economic basis the Tories increase the tax thresholds and have signed up to higher minimum wages. It is a lot easier to feel those headlines than indirect things like free child care, especially for those without dependents.

Socially however Labours attitude to the working poor is frankly appalling. These people tend to be socially conservative and patriotic and what they are told by London liberals is that they should embrace diversity, are bigoted or worst of all that they don’t know what they are voting for.

If a rich immigrant loving London mp basically calls you thick, your going to tell him to stick his fingers in his rectum.
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