“Children of single mothers are ill raised, aggressive and ignorant”

Of course it's the same

Both sides are just as bad as each other, don't kid yourself.

clearly out of the two of us i am not the one kidding myself...

That is irrelevant, unless you're suggesting that the UK has always been in the position of having worse behaviour than any other country. Which I don't think even you are silly enough to do.

It's a report from a highly respected organisation which shows the answer to whether UK kids are badly behaved is a resounding 'yes'. You, on the other hand, have produced an introduction from the Economist - the rest of the article is behind a paywall so no-one can make a judgement as to whether or not the study is relevant in answering the question. The other 'evidence' you've provided is from a joke source.

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Not content with having provided a joke source beforehand, you go on to provide another one! Your first source is about as reliable as a blog. Even worse, the 'Daily Telegraph' article is actually the Australian newspaper of the same name, and the link you've provided points to the subscription page I think in fact I"m getting you confused with another user: you clearly don't know anything about what constitutes a reliable source and what is not.

More generally, you're falling into the TSR trap of thinking that every argument has to be referenced somehow (usually using dodgy sources such as you have provided off the internet) to make it 'valid', rather than using evidence and knowledge that you already have and thinking for yourself. I don't need evidence to be able to draw a conclusion that kids behaviour has deteriorated over the years. Why did we never hear of teachers being physically assaulted in our schools on a regular basis? Why did we never hear of twelve-year-olds being regularly admitted into A&E with stab wounds and injuries usually found on a battlefield, not on the streets.... Because it didn't used to happen. This is not indicative of an 'improvement in behaviour'. Yes, not all kids get involved in this stuff - but more and more do.

It would help you to think about things more deeply and clearly, rather than desperately search the internet for sources, any sources no matter their validity or credibility, to make an argument that holds water.

That is fair. I agree he should not be locked up, but women should protest by voting for the Labour Party.

Why did we never hear of teachers being physically assaulted in our schools on a regular basis? Why did we never hear of twelve-year-olds being regularly admitted into A&E with stab wounds and injuries usually found on a battlefield, not on the streets.... Because it didn't used to happen. This is not indicative of an 'improvement in behaviour'. Yes, not all kids get involved in this stuff - but more and more do.

Did you play outside unsupervised as a kid?

"Sure"

Would you let your own kids play outside unsupervised now?

"HAHAHAHAHA! Yr fking kidding right?"

..sounds about right :P

exactly.

It's a study of American adolescents. How is this relevant to what's happening on the streets of Bermondsey or Ladbroke Grove?

The thing that'll really piss you off though is that the bold bit is right.

Kids from single parent households do tend to, on average, be more likely to become that type of kid.

Do all? Of course not.
But is it a politically accurate statement? Accurate enough that numbers will back him up.

Despite the utterly atrocious way he put it, interlaced with a fair few generalizing slurs, his point about single mothers with half a dozen kids to different 'fathers' isnt actually that wide of the mark. Never mind the fact this was written decades ago for the Spectator... a fact i rather doubt isnt relevant here.

as for kids behaving worse over time.. its not true universally. Middle-class and upper-class kids are about the same as they have always been.

But there has been an absolute gutting of working-class authority structures that has lead to a growing underclass of young people.

This is largely down to the following:

1, The breakdown of the family unit, meaning workingclass boys are less likely to have fathers and grandfathers.
2, Adults in general have given up their authority over children, meaning on other figure is diciplining them
3, The ban on smacking leaves many mums who are not capable of using logical/emotional dicipline, without the ability to dicipline their kids at all

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The result is that there has been a decline in behavoiral standards of young people, but not one that's evenly distributed.

hes right...

Single parent families are awful for children. Its just a question of how bad are they, to which many studies give many different answers.. not whether they are bad or not.

Its also incredibly hypocritical though because the conservative government over the last 9 years has done nothing to conserve the institution of marriage, the one thing that binds families together. Instead its a tory government who is ready to bring in no-fault divorces, and make it even more easy to become a single parent. They have also fairly fully embraced the liberal values that are pushing the family unit into extinction.

The family unit will be the minority within my life time.

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Absolutely spot on, I was going to type something along the same lines yesterday to @AngryRedhead and in reply to others also. but I refrained from doing so because I thought it would almost certainly result in ad hominem attacks on myself, this seems to the default position when a logical veiw point challenges enough to make them think about their own veiws.

I would of wrote something baced on facts, its unilaterally agreed by experts and stuidies have found children raised by single mothers are more likely to fare worse on a number of dimensions, including their school achievement, their social and emotional development, their health and their success in the labor market.

I guess they are all just misogynistic