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My parents usually vote labour, but I'm interested to know other people's political views which make them vote conservative.
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My mother votes conservative because of the fact they are better at handling money than labour.

She would say that every time labour get in they create a mess which the conservatives have to clean up.
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For me, the most likely reason I'd vote conservative is fiscal responsibility. I like Corbyn but the extent of his spending plans are... concerning. I avoid debt in my personal life unless 100% necessary (mortgage) - why would I be different in terms of my government. We're already at £1.78 trillion of debt.. that number is worrying!

Having said that, Bojo has gone on a spending spree of his own including tax cuts - actually barely better.

For a lot of people its going to be Brexit and immigration more broadly.

In reality I will vote Green though as that is by far the most important issue to me. I wouldn't necessarily want them to win overall, but I do want to increase their representation and I do want the other parties to look at their vote share and realise what an important that issue is to me.
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(Original post by SteveyStack)
My mother votes conservative because of the fact they are better at handling money than labour.

She would say that every time labour get in they create a mess which the conservatives have to clean up.
You say that but what does that actually mean?

Ask yourself, how has government policy made your life better in the last 8 years?

I take it your mum is in the top 5% of earners standing to take advantage of Brexit and the forthcoming US trade deal?
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You say that but what does that actually mean?

Ask yourself, how has government policy made your life better in the last 8 years?

I take it your mum is in the top 5% of earners standing to take advantage of Brexit and the forthcoming US trade deal?
In fairness they have stabilised an economy. Compare us to Greece Spain ect.

And no she earns min wage but we are quite rural and thus obviously a Tory stronghold unlike the cities which are traditionally labour
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I take it your mum is in the top 5% of earners standing to take advantage of Brexit and the forthcoming US trade deal?
If that were the profile for every Tory supporter they wouldn't be in power would they?

Lots of 'normal' people vote Tory. If you tried to understand why rather than immediately profiling you might have more success in persuading people!
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In fairness they have stabilised an economy. Compare us to Greece Spain ect.
Again, how are you measuring that? In the last 5 years or so unemployment in Spain and Greece have fallen around 10%. Both ecinomies have always had higher unemployment than the UK.

By contrast we have high employment but wage growth has been flatlining. The big question in my view is, have the conservatives stablised the economy through careful policy decisions or did it stablise itself after the 2008 correction?

I would say the later but I still put it to you, have the Tories through policies made you life better? Are you paying less tax? Are the services you access better?
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If that were the profile for every Tory supporter they wouldn't be in power would they?

Lots of 'normal' people vote Tory. If you tried to understand why rather than immediately profiling you might have more success in persuading people!
Agreed. And therein lies the million dollar question. Why do people vote as they do? I rather imagine it boils down to brand and a perception that the other lot will make a mess of things. I am dreading the next Tory government. Leaving the EU is just the start of Brexit, not the end and it is clear the US are kicking their lips in anticipation of raping us for our highly prized NHS contracts. Dark days are ahead.
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If it was between conservative and labour I would conservatives. However If I was old enough I would vote green.(2 months to young).
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If it was between conservative and labour I would conservatives. However If I was old enough I would vote green.(2 months to young).
Why? Green is just like a mini Labour and is a waste of a vote because it only has one seat
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Why? Green is just like a mini Labour and is a waste of a vote because it only has one seat
While not perfect the green party has similar views to me on a few issues. Most notably brexit. Also my everyday life isn't likely to be directly affected by which party comes to power. I might as well vote for a party that do will do some good for the climate which is a pressing issue in my opinion.
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Heavens no, the national debt has increased dramatically under the Tories whilst all our important services have been cut so they’re worse than Labour
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I'm not sure if the Tories can really claim to be the fiscally responsible party anymore, given their pro-Brexit stance, which will almost certainly hit the economy, and subsequent move more towards the populist right.
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Again, how are you measuring that? In the last 5 years or so unemployment in Spain and Greece have fallen around 10%. Both ecinomies have always had higher unemployment than the UK.

By contrast we have high employment but wage growth has been flatlining. The big question in my view is, have the conservatives stablised the economy through careful policy decisions or did it stablise itself after the 2008 correction?

I would say the later but I still put it to you, have the Tories through policies made you life better? Are you paying less tax? Are the services you access better?
Record employment, they’ve increased the personal allowance considerably. I think people don’t realise that your life isn’t going to magically get better.

In short I don’t think I’ve got worse off as a result of the Tories. Just because there hasn’t been a major uplift isn’t a reason to vote them out imo. They are far from perfect but better the devil you know than the one you don’t.

I measure it because of record low unemployment, rising wages (over 12 months of considerable rises despite what you say) and the general incentives to work.
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because any other vote for the other main partys is a vote for a terrorist sympathiser and anti-semite.
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Record employment, they’ve increased the personal allowance considerably. I think people don’t realise that your life isn’t going to magically get better.

In short I don’t think I’ve got worse off as a result of the Tories. Just because there hasn’t been a major uplift isn’t a reason to vote them out imo. They are far from perfect but better the devil you know than the one you don’t.

I measure it because of record low unemployment, rising wages (over 12 months of considerable rises despite what you say) and the general incentives to work.
Fair dos. However I work in a school and my kids are in school. Things are really tight there and last week when it took 5 hours to see a doctor in A+E (no appointments at local GP and 111 didn't pick up). I think it fair to say services have got worse. Out local library is now shut on a Saturday. But yes, I am a few hundred quid better off in tax so as long as nothing bad happens everything is great.
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Agreed. And therein lies the million dollar question. Why do people vote as they do?
I think a lot of it is so many people being so anti-immigration, and people being paranoid about benefit fraud - two areas they think voting for the 'bad guys' will help with.
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Fair dos. However I work in a school and my kids are in school. Things are really tight there and last week when it took 5 hours to see a doctor in A+E (no appointments at local GP and 111 didn't pick up). I think it fair to say services have got worse. Out local library is now shut on a Saturday. But yes, I am a few hundred quid better off in tax so as long as nothing bad happens everything is great.
In fairness I don’t think much would change under labour. The issue we have is care for the elderly is costing probably £50 billion a year which means other services are being cut.
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Maybe.
I'm going to be casting my best friend and her brother's proxy votes for the Conservatives.

I've voted Conservative before.
I tend to vote based upon national security, criminal justice policy, taxation, the economy and some London local issues.
But I'm no fan of the PMs brexit deal or his proposed public spending spree.
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because any other vote for the other main partys is a vote for a terrorist sympathiser and anti-semite.
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