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Such an alliance would be an efficient outcome. Two ideologically aligned confidence partners would not only distinguish the style of government from the past 9 years but secure undisputable mandates via a further Scottish Vote, allowing the scots to decide if they wish to remain in a post-brexit United Kingdom given their strong favour for the EU, and a EU Referendum. This time the public would have full knowledge of the negotiated withdrawal agreement and a remain option to assess the then public mood and if the national view has changed.
Such an alliance would be an efficient outcome. Two ideologically aligned confidence partners would not only distinguish the style of government from the past 9 years but secure undisputable mandates via a further Scottish Vote, allowing the scots to decide if they wish to remain in a post-brexit United Kingdom given their strong favour for the EU, and a EU Referendum. This time the public would have full knowledge of the negotiated withdrawal agreement and a remain option to assess the then public mood and if the national view has changed.
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I also believe a Corbyn administration would address the issues of underfunding across public services and reverse the impacts of fiscal austerity of the former governments.
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I believe this is more likely to preserve the union than a Tory government also. Tory government means the UK is over.
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Risky move. Potentially a very good way to force voters in Scotland to the tories (after all around half of Scots (give or take) arent in favour of imploding the union and will thus vote tory simply to stick it to the SNP//Labour.
Same for down south but in reverse, few people would be tempted to vote Labour when they can, with good reason, view that as a vote against the union.
Same for down south but in reverse, few people would be tempted to vote Labour when they can, with good reason, view that as a vote against the union.
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Labour would be mad to back a second Scottish ref. If the SNP win and leave, then you’ve lost your government partner. It’s insane. Giving Nicola what she wants isn’t the way forward, she’ll keep demanding. What If she loses again? Does she demand a 3rd ref with the the following question?
Should Scotland be independent?
Yes.
Yes,
Should Scotland be independent?
Yes.
Yes,
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(Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
I believe this is more likely to preserve the union than a Tory government also. Tory government means the UK is over.
I believe this is more likely to preserve the union than a Tory government also. Tory government means the UK is over.
The Labour Party are proposing to stay in the EU which makes it far easier for indispensable to happen..
The Tory Party are n out offering another referendum yet.
The tory Party are hoovering up the Unionist vote because of how strongly pro union they are..
The Tory Party will leave the EU, which while it gives Scots more motivation to leave, also makes it almost impossible to do so in the way they want to. It means a boarder, and a repeat of all the northern Ireland problems if they choose to leave. For every % it makes them want to leave more, it adds 2x more deterrents and practical arguments for remaining.
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Yet despite all that, it’s the tories that are going to break up the Union.
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(Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
I believe this is more likely to preserve the union than a Tory government also. Tory government means the UK is over.
I believe this is more likely to preserve the union than a Tory government also. Tory government means the UK is over.
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(Original post by Andrew97)
Labour would be mad to back a second Scottish ref. If the SNP win and leave, then you’ve lost your government partner. It’s insane. Giving Nicola what she wants isn’t the way forward, she’ll keep demanding. What If she loses again? Does she demand a 3rd ref with the the following question?
Should Scotland be independent?
Yes.
Yes,
Labour would be mad to back a second Scottish ref. If the SNP win and leave, then you’ve lost your government partner. It’s insane. Giving Nicola what she wants isn’t the way forward, she’ll keep demanding. What If she loses again? Does she demand a 3rd ref with the the following question?
Should Scotland be independent?
Yes.
Yes,
In any case however I think the withdrawal of Scotland would consensually take place after the termination of the parliament under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, to allow economic and political preparations beforehand.
In answer to 'what if she loses again?', no doubt she will demand again given independence is the long-term political objective of the SNP however in the case of a 'no' vote - I believe central government via any major party would no longer be obliged to offer such a vote any time for the generation to come, you may question this on the basis of Labour's loose support for a 2nd referendum however in my opinion given the juxtaposing results on such a major referendum (EU) between Scotland and the rest of the UK, a further vote is justified.
And finally my views on Scottish Independence? I think the mutual economic advantages of our union outweigh the regional bases for opposition however I don't think it would be the end of the world as any resignee of the Union would be bound to close economic and political alignment.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Are you serious, how is the union over under a majority tory government? The only hope the SNP have got is Brexit happens and labour give them independence ref 2
Are you serious, how is the union over under a majority tory government? The only hope the SNP have got is Brexit happens and labour give them independence ref 2
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Edward I, Hammer of the Scots, and Anne turning in their graves lol
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(Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
The Scots will demand another referendum. A combination of people who want to remain on one hand, and the people who hate having tory governments imposed will form a coalition. I could even see an IRA type organisation developing long term if a referendum was surpressed.
The Scots will demand another referendum. A combination of people who want to remain on one hand, and the people who hate having tory governments imposed will form a coalition. I could even see an IRA type organisation developing long term if a referendum was surpressed.
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