Convicted murderer among people who tackled terrorist Usman Khan Watch

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Now this is an interesting bit, and the response from the family of his victim in particular.
Whilst his actions here by no means make up for his prior crimes it would seem that he should be commended, to a point, for his assistance rendered.
https://news.sky.com/story/london-br...-khan-11874132
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I agree
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Doesn’t wipe the slate clean, especially given the nature of his crime, but he still did a very courageous thing, and for that he deserves praise.
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The fact that he was willing to take on an armed terrorist and his actions likely saved the lives of strangers rather speaks for itself.
As does the fact that he was a convicted killer being held in an open prison, allowed out on day release from prison to attend a rehabilitation event in central London and about to be granted parole.
The workings of the criminal justice and parole systems are starting to resemble that of a casino. :eek:
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I wonder if the "these people should rot in prison" brigade understand the irony of praising the actions of one of "these people" who was released early?
Surely they should be demanding to know why he was on the streets and in a position to save people's lives in the first place, and which bleeding-heart liberal authorised it. They should be sacked! These people can never change. Political correctness gone mad. etc, etc...
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I wonder if the "these people should rot in prison" brigade understand the irony of praising the actions of one of "these people" who was released early?
Surely they should be demanding to know why he was on the streets and in a position to save people's lives in the first place, and which bleeding-heart liberal authorised it. They should be sacked! These people can never change. Political correctness gone mad. etc, etc...
I don't think a person who murder a mental disabled woman should even be let out and I don't care that he save a person life. He has murder a woman with mind of child.

By the why if he murder person who he had a fight with in the pub I would believe he could come out changed. But murdering a disabled woman with mind of a child is nothing but pure evil. Not even other prisoners have time for people who murder disabled people.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
The fact that he was willing to take on an armed terrorist and his actions likely saved the lives of strangers rather speaks for itself.
As does the fact that he was a convicted killer being held in an open prison, allowed out on day release from prison to attend a rehabilitation event in central London and about to be granted parole.
The workings of the criminal justice and parole systems are starting to resemble that of a casino. :eek:
A person who murder a disabled woman should never be allowed out of prison.
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So two people on London Bridge at that time who should never have been out of prison?

Cmon lefties, tell us all how he’s a hero!
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I don't think a person who murder a mental disabled woman should even be let out and I don't care that he save a person life. He has murder a woman with mind of child.

By the why if he murder person who he had a fight with in the pub I would believe he could come out changed. But murdering a disabled woman with mind of a child is nothing but pure evil. Not even other prisoners have time for people who murder disabled people.
There's no such thing as evil people. Or good people for that matter. Only people who do good things and people who do evil things. Everybody probably has the potential to commit murder if they were placed in the right situation.
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So two people on London Bridge at that time who should never have been out of prison?

Cmon lefties, tell us all how he’s a hero!
I think you'll find it's the righties who think Ford should never have been released. Most reasonable, rational people accept that rehabilitation is often achievable, and is certainly desirable, and the permanent incarceration of large numbers of the prison population is neither civilised nor practical.
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I think you'll find it's the righties who think Ford should never have been released. Most reasonable, rational people accept that rehabilitation is often achievable, and is certainly desirable, and the permanent incarceration of large numbers of the prison population is neither civilised nor practical.
He should never have been released, it’s as simple as that. I want to live in a fair and just society, and if you brutally murder somebody who is disabled, or if you plot a terrorist attack you should never be allowed back out of prison again, it isn’t fair on the victims, nor is it fair on regular working people who want to go about their lives. We are far to soft on people in this country and it’s going to come to a head soon. The amount of ASB is incredible at the moment, the lack of discipline is unbelievable, but that’s for another argument. The crux of it is if you can murder somebody and get out on good behaviour in 15 or so years that is not fair or just.
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A person who murder a disabled woman should never be allowed out of prison.
I believe that 'life should mean life' for convicted murderers and hate criminals who kill.

Do you believe that everyone convicted of murder should serve the full life imprisonment sentence?
With no prospect of early release, parole, day release and never be allowed out of prison premises for any reason at all (funerals, medical treatment).
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
He should never have been released, it’s as simple as that. I want to live in a fair and just society, and if you brutally murder somebody who is disabled, or if you plot a terrorist attack you should never be allowed back out of prison again, it isn’t fair on the victims, nor is it fair on regular working people who want to go about their lives. We are far to soft on people in this country and it’s going to come to a head soon. The amount of ASB is incredible at the moment, the lack of discipline is unbelievable, but that’s for another argument. The crux of it is if you can murder somebody and get out on good behaviour in 15 or so years that is not fair or just.
Not even just not let out, if you are a terrorist and you are not a citizen you should be deported regardless of if your country will execute you. Getting to live and work in this country(argument applies to all countries as well) as a non citizen is a privilege, if you are a threat that privilege should be revoked. Its not our governments job to protect some evil men from what other nations will do to them for their sins.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
He should never have been released, it’s as simple as that. I want to live in a fair and just society, and if you brutally murder somebody who is disabled, or if you plot a terrorist attack you should never be allowed back out of prison again, it isn’t fair on the victims, nor is it fair on regular working people who want to go about their lives. We are far to soft on people in this country and it’s going to come to a head soon. The amount of ASB is incredible at the moment, the lack of discipline is unbelievable, but that’s for another argument. The crux of it is if you can murder somebody and get out on good behaviour in 15 or so years that is not fair or just.
Sorry, I must have missed the memo that determined that life must be fair, and what the definition of "fair" is.
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Sorry, I must have missed the memo that determined that life must be fair, and what the definition of "fair" is.
I think his point is its not justice. And we are letting our emotions cloud out judgment and be compassionate when we shouldn't be.
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Not even just not let out, if you are a terrorist and you are not a citizen you should be deported regardless of if your country will execute you. Getting to live and work in this country(argument applies to all countries as well) as a non citizen is a privilege, if you are a threat that privilege should be revoked. Its not our governments job to protect some evil men from what other nations will do to them for their sins.
"A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals." - Dostoyevsky
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"A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals." - Dostoyevsky
Precisely.

Criminals like: David Copeland, the murderer of Jo Cox, that pair of thugs from britain first, Peter Bryan (multiple murderer & cannibal), Ruby Thomas (London's first convicted gay bashing killer) and the two horrifying habitual offenders that murdered Quyen Ngoc Nguyen (after they raped, robbed & tortured her).
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Sorry, I must have missed the memo that determined that life must be fair, and what the definition of "fair" is.
Its entirely within our power to make sure sentencing is fair though.
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"A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals." - Dostoyevsky
In this case the criminal was let out early and the outstanding citizen was stabbed to death. Seems like we treated the criminal a lot better than the citizen in this case.
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I think his point is its not justice. And we are letting our emotions cloud out judgment and be compassionate when we shouldn't be.
Ironically, it is the "lock 'em up and throw away the key, hanging's too good for 'em!" brigade who are letting emotion cloud judgement.
In the heat of the moment, people naturally want revenge - but revenge is not necessarily justice.
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