RMT Union begins a month of Strikes on SWR over who closes the train doors. Watch

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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/...in-guards-row/


  • The RMT walked out on the first of 27 days of strike action after talks collasped last week

  • RMT general secretary Mick Cash said: “RMT is angry and frustrated that a set of proposals that would have guaranteed the safety-critical role of the guard at the point of despatch, and which would have cost the company absolutely nothing, have been kicked back in our faces."

  • An SWR spokesman said: “We have done everything we can and more to meet the RMT’s outdated demands with our promise of a guard on every train, and a safety-critical role for that guard.



As usual the real loser here is the passenger, I understand a right to strike but 27 days on the run up to Christmas over who closes the doors is taking the mickey.
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Sack them all and replace them. Because, lets be honest, this isnt an issue of safety as much as a move to try to delay their becoming obsolete.
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Bring in driverless trains already - computers won't strike.

This reminds me of the fact we have a Union of Unemployed Workers. How exactly do they go about striking?
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I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/
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Were Labour to be voted into government and these things would become widespread, with McCluskey being their top financier and Corbyn's declared intentions of repealing all legislation that had to be introduced to prevent the Unions from paralysing the country at will. Nationalise as much as they can, sign up as many fee-paying members as they can get their hands on and use them to bring down the Tories when they are called back in to clear up the mess in that inevitable political cycle. Most people contemplating Labour have no idea what the true consequences would be, beyond all the flummery.
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Were Labour to be voted into government and these things would become widespread, with McCluskey being their top financier and Corbyn's declared intentions of repealing all legislation that had to be introduced to prevent the Unions from paralysing the country at will. Nationalise as much as they can, sign up as many fee-paying members as they can get their hands on and use them to bring down the Tories when they are called back in to clear up the mess in that inevitable political cycle. Most people contemplating Labour have no idea what the true consequences would be, beyond all the flummery.
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I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/
Most stations have electronic barriers these days.
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Most stations have electronic barriers these days.
That's why I specified Scotland, we tend to only use barriers for capital stations. Unless I wanted to enter a city centre, most travel would be free without guards.
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I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/
Driver-only trains are used all over the world in countries from Autralia to Europe without significant problems of the sort you mention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-man_operation
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Driver-only trains are used all over the world in countries from Autralia to Europe without significant problems of the sort you mention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-man_operation
I'm not disputing that, but that still doesn't mean I have to be keen on it. I'm basing this just on my own exp of using them (again, largely in Scotland) Booze is banned on most Scot trains btw, for good reason, we can't be trusted. Like our trains already have the significant problems i mention, often it is the presence of that 1 guard that keeps most people in line.
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Could we stop pretending this has anything to do with safety, these are political and self-serving wild strikes for the benefit of their leadership above all. One of those false narratives that everybody pays some superficial heed to just for the sake of conformity, HC Andersen wrote a story on two on the subject. Most things discussed in the public arena are just that, mirages.
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More like the Four Seasons of it and not by Vivaldi.
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I would rather invest in driverless trains, then sack the drivers, retrain them as guards and have two guards on each train.
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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/...in-guards-row/


  • The RMT walked out on the first of 27 days of strike action after talks collasped last week

  • RMT general secretary Mick Cash said: “RMT is angry and frustrated that a set of proposals that would have guaranteed the safety-critical role of the guard at the point of despatch, and which would have cost the company absolutely nothing, have been kicked back in our faces."

  • An SWR spokesman said: “We have done everything we can and more to meet the RMT’s outdated demands with our promise of a guard on every train, and a safety-critical role for that guard.



As usual the real loser here is the passenger, I understand a right to strike but 27 days on the run up to Christmas over who closes the doors is taking the mickey.
A load of **** if you ask me. But probably what we can expect fairly regularly under a union run Corbyn government.
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But probably what we can expect fairly regularly under a union run Corbyn government.
Probably not, were such thing as a Corbyn government to materialise and the Unions would be lying low for all sorts of practical reasons. To wait for him to make good on the promise to bring back flying pickets and sympathy strikes, then not to rock the boat when the alternative is the baddies and for the sake of the International Socialist. It would take for Corbyn to go bad on his promises or start showing some resistance to their demands for them to become a problem, they are pretty much the source of finance for this brand of Labour and Corbyn is in their pocket.

The day the Tories came back by public demand and lack of a better alternative, the Unions would make full use of the Corbynista legacy and reclaimed powers until restrained again. That would be the moment the consequences of the declared intention to abolish everything Thatcher introduced to wrestle the country from their grip would make itself felt. Good thing we won't have to see it now but the seeds for the future are there, with full momentum.
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