Boris - and there may be another general election in 2020

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Hardly anybody really wants Boris as the PM. They just want to see Brexit completed ASAP, case closed, then the government return to normal.

It's an open secret that if the Conservatives win the election then there is a 99.9% chance that Boris will not be PM in 6 months time. His ambition is to deliver Brexit and then resign as PM shortly after that.

There is a possibility that if the Conservatives fail to win a substantial majority in the general election that there will be another general election in May or June 2020.

Labour fails to latch onto this and that is their downfall. They just want to drag Brexit on for months on end with an uncertain outcome.
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Brexit is not delivered when we leave under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. It is only completed if a trade deal is reached or we do not have one. So the earliest is December 2020.

Better to have a referendum on the Withdrawal Agreement with the other option being Remain.
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Better to have a referendum on the Withdrawal Agreement with the other option being Remain.
It's too vague and too untrustworthy.

Labour has made a serious blunder with its second referendum. What they should have done is accepted and respected the outcome of the referendum; committed to implementing Brexit ASAP; pledged to hold a second referendum in 5 years time with the question "should the UK rejoin the EU?".
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Hardly anybody really wants Boris as the PM. They just want to see Brexit completed ASAP, case closed, then the government return to normal.

It's an open secret that if the Conservatives win the election then there is a 99.9% chance that Boris will not be PM in 6 months time. His ambition is to deliver Brexit and then resign as PM shortly after that.

There is a possibility that if the Conservatives fail to win a substantial majority in the general election that there will be another general election in May or June 2020.

Labour fails to latch onto this and that is their downfall. They just want to drag Brexit on for months on end with an uncertain outcome.
Probs a bit of topic but not a single person except corbyn knows what they are doing. i just want there to be another referendum what ever it is so all the people that voted leave will realise the big mistake they have made and all the chaos they have led (not being mean)
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The reality is that most Remain voters apart from diehards are fed up to the back teeth with all this Brexit fiasco and they would rather accept defeat and see the UK leave the EU ASAP in order to (hopefully) return the government and politics to normal rather than let this sordid state of affairs drag on for months on end.
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pledged to hold a second referendum in 5 years time with the question "should the UK rejoin the EU?".
Why? What would be the point of that but to inflame peoples sensibilities? Especially given the Europeans will most certainly tell the British to get ****ed.
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It's an open secret that if the Conservatives win the election then there is a 99.9% chance that Boris will not be PM in 6 months time. His ambition is to deliver Brexit and then resign as PM shortly after that.
This is quite literally the first i have ever heard of this, somewhat dubious, theory. BoJo has been aiming for high office for years, why would he give it up for no particular reason?
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The reality is that most Remain voters apart from diehards are fed up to the back teeth with all this Brexit fiasco and they would rather accept defeat and see the UK leave the EU ASAP in order to (hopefully) return the government and politics to normal rather than let this sordid state of affairs drag on for months on end.
Leavers keep uttering this and whilst its of course true that people (of both stripes) are sick of this cocking about to say that 'most' are happy to admit defeat always seems to be said without a shred of evidence to back up the claim. After all, being sick of something is not synonymous with changing sides.
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After all, being sick of something is not synonymous with changing sides.
More like accepting democracy.

Remember that large numbers of people voted Remain out of fear of the unknown or to keep the status quo more than any other reason. They are more open to accepting the outcome of the referendum than those who had strong reasons to vote Remain.
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More like accepting democracy.

Remember that large numbers of people voted Remain out of fear of the unknown or to keep the status quo more than any other reason. They are more open to accepting the outcome of the referendum than those who had strong reasons to vote Remain.
Hardly.
If we're going to be reverting back to extremely dubious stereotypes must i bring up that most hoary old one about most people only voting leave because they hate foreigners?
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It's an open secret that if the Conservatives win the election then there is a 99.9% chance that Boris will not be PM in 6 months time. His ambition is to deliver Brexit and then resign as PM shortly after that.
This is news to most people. It also shows you are woefully ignorant of Boris Johnson’s character. His ambition is to be in power. He will support whatever policies that will allow him to remain power.
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The reality is that most Remain voters apart from diehards are fed up to the back teeth with all this Brexit fiasco and they would rather accept defeat and see the UK leave the EU ASAP in order to (hopefully) return the government and politics to normal rather than let this sordid state of affairs drag on for months on end.
This is a great argument for why we need a second referendum. If your view is correct, a second referendum would result in overwhelming support for leaving, allow Brexit to be delivered quickly and bypass a pesky parliament.

I can not fathom why leave supporters do not vocally support a second referendum.
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I'm glad I'm not alone, and Napp + Kitten had the same reaction as me..

If there is a tory majority, there is no chance of an election next year. Look at Boris and everything he has done. Its all for power, and when he gets it, he won't give it up for anything until he has built what ever legacy he thinks satisfies his ego, regardless of the reality for the rest of the nation.

The idea that he would deliver brexit, then 'humbly' say - im off, that's my job done. No chance. If he gets a majority, you have boris for the next 5 years, and then you will have him campaigning again. He wants to out-do his rival Cameron, and stake his claim in history. Hes already purged the party of much of the forces that were against him, and with a majority behind him, the tory party (famous for doing anything to stay in power) will realise where their interests lay, and fall in line.

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The only chance of a 2020 election is if there is a hung parliment and its forced on everyone.
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No... they just want to see the nightmare he personally created resolved. Funny how we elect the **** who created the **** into power. Brexiteers... just line them up and shoot them!
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More like accepting democracy.

Remember that large numbers of people voted Remain out of fear of the unknown or to keep the status quo more than any other reason. They are more open to accepting the outcome of the referendum than those who had strong reasons to vote Remain.
Democracy... sure. Some 30 strong right wing ERG extremists dictating the direction of over 600 democratically elected representatives. You tossers would not recognise democracy if it hit you between the eyes. Just a bunch of thugs who want their own way as demonstrated by the shameful terrace chants on TV panel shows... now thankfully down to 5 or fewer. What next? Support for UKIP is growing? Lost bunch of losers with the Captain running off shouting nothing to do with me! Farage the gutless, chinless wonder.
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This is news to most people. It also shows you are woefully ignorant of Boris Johnson’s character. His ambition is to be in power. He will support whatever policies that will allow him to remain power.
You are also forgetting that Boris is now a marked man. A PM who, in a few short months, has had the stuffing kicked out of him by Parliament and forced to hold a general election in order to break the deadlock on getting a Brexit deal through Parliament.

He knows this.

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This is a great argument for why we need a second referendum. If your view is correct, a second referendum would result in overwhelming support for leaving, allow Brexit to be delivered quickly and bypass a pesky parliament.

I can not fathom why leave supporters do not vocally support a second referendum.
Because Labour is trying to move the goalpost to suit themselves. In the 2016 EU Referendum it was not possible for EU citizens resident in Britain to vote, but Labour are now saying that EU citizens should be allowed to vote in the second referendum.

There also isn't an option for a hard Brexit - accept Labour's (Brexit in name only) deal or Remain.

Labour patently cannot be trusted on Brexit and are trying for Remain by the back door.
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Hardly anybody really wants Boris as the PM. They just want to see Brexit completed ASAP, case closed, then the government return to normal.

It's an open secret that if the Conservatives win the election then there is a 99.9% chance that Boris will not be PM in 6 months time. His ambition is to deliver Brexit and then resign as PM shortly after that.

There is a possibility that if the Conservatives fail to win a substantial majority in the general election that there will be another general election in May or June 2020.

Labour fails to latch onto this and that is their downfall. They just want to drag Brexit on for months on end with an uncertain outcome.
What does a "substantial majority" mean? People do want Boris as prime minister- look at the polls.
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You are also forgetting that Boris is now a marked man. A PM who, in a few short months, has had the stuffing kicked out of him by Parliament and forced to hold a general election in order to break the deadlock on getting a Brexit deal through Parliament.

He knows this.



Because Labour is trying to move the goalpost to suit themselves. In the 2016 EU Referendum it was not possible for EU citizens resident in Britain to vote, but Labour are now saying that EU citizens should be allowed to vote in the second referendum.

There also isn't an option for a hard Brexit - accept Labour's (Brexit in name only) deal or Remain.

Labour patently cannot be trusted on Brexit and are trying for Remain by the back door.
He wasn't forced to hold an election, he wanted one from day 1, he just had to get to a situation where the other parties would support his call for one and one where he couodbcampaign on his narrative of breaking the deadlock and people vs parliment. His whole first stint in power was a big game to get his brexit-electopn, and the vast majority of political commentators saw right through it.

As for him being a marked man, one of the biggest things he's done is to kick out those who disagree with him. There has been a purge in the party and most of the senior voices who didn't like him have either fallen in line or been forced out.

With a majority he doesn't have to worry too much about the opposition, and with his own critics purged from his own party, he will have things very much his own way.
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What does a "substantial majority" mean? People do want Boris as prime minister- look at the polls.
Notice really in my OP?!

They want a Conservative victory for two reasons:

1. To complete Brexit ASAP and put this godforsaken headache behind us.

2. Boris may be chequered with faults but the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn as PM is absolutely gut wrenching.
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Notice really in my OP?!

They want a Conservative victory for two reasons:

1. To complete Brexit ASAP and put this godforsaken headache behind us.

2. Boris may be chequered with faults but the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn as PM is absolutely gut wrenching.
Johnson has managed to delude so many people with his meaningless" get Brexit done " slogan. "chequed with faults" ?? do you see how our pplitical system is in need of drastic reform! Racist remarks, lies on a bus, peroging of parliament, more lies....So you don't mind being lied to? or listening to racist comments? But you are more horrified by Corbyn? Yes, the Tories will win because of the reasoning of people who are "gut wrenched" as opposed to accepting " chequed with faults " leaders.
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