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    My perception of Muslims? Too vague a question; it needs to be narrowed down. There are some Muslims who are easy going and are able to socialise with people from all backgrounds, and then there are the Muslims that hold a superiority complex and believe their "way of life" exceeds every non-muslim. Then there's a mix between these two, and then there's.....you see my point? Too vague a question.
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    (Original post by CJ99)
    In the west people are free to speak their mind. If someone gets insulted by anothers view on their religion then why is it that persons fault for holding that view? Why is it not equally the insulted persons fault for being insulted?

    This "discrimanation" is not physical, it is verbal the majority of the time. If you choose to be insulted by what we have to say go back to a country where no one is allowed to say anything against Islam.
    No one can argue your view on a religion. You obviously don't believe in my religion as you don't follow it. Therefore, voicing disagreement is pretty pointless and will lead to arguments. Debated are always welcome though, which is the only useful thing really. How is a cartoon where the main purpose is to incite anger is going to be useful?

    Saying go "back" can be referred to as discrimination and is used by most BNP supporters. You do realise that a lot of Muslims in the UK/Europe have no other home and they were born and raised here and are part of the country. It is the same as telling American to go back where they came from. It is indirectly saying "You are not accepted as part of the community and you don't belong".
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    (Original post by CJ99)
    In the west people are free to speak their mind. If someone gets insulted by anothers view on their religion then why is it that persons fault for holding that view? Why is it not equally the insulted persons fault for being insulted?
    Excellent.
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    (Original post by pollystyrene07)
    No it's not bloody justified! I'm not condoning the bullying by any means (it sounds appalling) but there is no reason for him to think that all white people in eng are racist, ignorant biggots, just because his class mates gave him a hard time. I was reading something the other day about this ginger kid who got bullied by a load of asian people in his school and had to be moved, does this mean that for the rest of his life he should only mix with white people? it's the same kind of scenerio.
    Well, I take back my words. I shouldn't have used "justified". Nonetheless it doesn't do anything to my point that sometimes Muslims that want to mix in are repulsed by the treatment they get. This puts them off the idea of mixing in. Peoples' impressions (especially early ones) often mould their outlooks and views.

    So, please, before you say that Muslims are not doing enough remember that sometimes it's not entirely their fault.
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    (Original post by Don_Kamikaze)
    Europe is a safe haven? Please...
    What on earth are you talking about? How do you think Abu Hamza got here? A man who preaches for the destruction of Europe was given asylum here from Muslim regimes, he would be deported to Jordan except in the West we don't want even those who preach for our destruction to be tortured.

    You argue that Al-Andalus wasn't tolerant, how is Europe tolerant now?
    ...maybe because, in this country at least, it is illegal to discriminate against Muslims, it is illegal to incite racial hatred against Muslims and Muslims are senior members of both government and opposition?

    Non-Muslims in muslim kingdoms were protected and had their rights, so the "tax" you are referring to was protection. Europe is not giving your (alleged) paradise for free, yet foreigners are facing discrimination. There is also historical evidence that non-muslims could get to high positions in society in Al-Andalus.
    What rubbish, jizya was a punitive form of religious apartheid aimed at making the non-Muslim populations in Islamic occupied areas into Muslims.

    How would you like it if tomorrow the UK passed a bill requiring Muslims to pay extra protection money? Would that make the UK more enlightened?

    You fail to differentiate between ideology and religion. Plus we are all different
    Islam IS an ideology, just because members of the ideology of Islam claim that a sky fairy sent down the ideology doesn't make it any less ideological.

    I'd have to agree that Islam is a threat to the west. It's a threat as it is against many of the things made popular by the west such as apartheid, drinking and slavery. I don't see why you don't say the same about Christianity/Judaism, I'm pretty sure abortion/homosexuality aren't popular there either.
    Ah, another Muslim who equates homosexuality and drinking with things like slavery. Lovely. It's worth noting that slavery was ended (more or less, it still carries on today) in the Islamic world only because of Western opposition to it.

    If the UK is so bad feel free to leave it, you are an ungrateful child.
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    (Original post by holla_at_ya)
    uhh lets see, Gayism is wrong anyway, its rank and just plain disgusting, social corruption, but I personally couldnt care less if he did or did not get killed, but thats just me...
    'Gayism'? Are you 13? Anyway, feel free to leave this country and go live in a country a few hundred years of social progression behind the UK. There are plenty of them in the Muslim world.
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    (Original post by holla_at_ya)
    uhh lets see, Gayism is wrong anyway, its rank and just plain disgusting, social corruption, but I personally couldnt care less if he did or did not get killed, but thats just me...
    :toofunny:

    (Original post by holla_at_ya)
    ummmmm Turkey is NOT a muslim country, the Hijab is BANNED, and you are forbidden have a beard.
    Turkey is a secular democracy, and the hijab is not 'banned'. It's prohibited in public offices, similar to France. And a beard is banned in Turkey? What an idiot lol.

    (Original post by holla_at_ya)
    Islam is perfect.
    Yeah, right.
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    (Original post by pretz)
    What on earth are you talking about? How do you think Abu Hamza got here? A man who preaches for the destruction of Europe was given asylum here from Muslim regimes, he would be deported to Jordan except in the West we don't want even those who preach for our destruction to be tortured.

    ...maybe because, in this country at least, it is illegal to discriminate against Muslims, it is illegal to incite racial hatred against Muslims and Muslims are senior members of both government and opposition?

    What rubbish, jizya was a punitive form of religious apartheid aimed at making the non-Muslim populations in Islamic occupied areas into Muslims.

    How would you like it if tomorrow the UK passed a bill requiring Muslims to pay extra protection money? Would that make the UK more enlightened?

    Islam IS an ideology, just because members of the ideology of Islam claim that a sky fairy sent down the ideology doesn't make it any less ideological.

    Ah, another Muslim who equates homosexuality and drinking with things like slavery. Lovely. It's worth noting that slavery was ended (more or less, it still carries on today) in the Islamic world only because of Western opposition to it.

    If the UK is so bad feel free to leave it, you are an ungrateful child.
    Another person that takes certain things and leave the rest. Jizya was taken, yes. However the non-Muslims didn't have to pay any taxes, had protection, were allowed to practice their faith and didn't have to join the military. Please read back in history.

    So Christianity is an ideology too?

    I never equated these things together. I simply said that they were made popular by the west. In case you don't know, slavery is not allowed in Islam...

    Your statement of leaving the country is another typical approach of a person that can't debate like an intelligent human being.
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    they seem to be taking over the country!

    england does not feel like england.... too many foreingers!!
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    (Original post by Don_Kamikaze)
    Your statement of leaving the country is another typical approach of a person that can't debate like an intelligent human being.
    That's rich coming from you. You've completely exaggerated the perception of Muslims in the UK. Very much a victim mentality.
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    Religious people. And.... what does that mean?
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    (Original post by Don_Kamikaze)
    Another person that takes certain things and leave the rest. Jizya was taken, yes. However the non-Muslims didn't have to pay any taxes, had protection, were allowed to practice their faith and didn't have to join the military. Please read back in history.
    What the hell? Have you never heard of dhimma? And non-Muslim never had to pay any taxes under Muslim rule in Al-Andalus?? You do know that Jizya was/is a tax...?!

    Anyway, do you really consider Al-Andalus to have been a more tolerant state than the current UK?! I'm astounded but there is no way that you know anything of the history of Al-Andalus to claim that.

    So Christianity is an ideology too?
    It can be, yes. I'm not Christian.

    Your statement of leaving the country is another typical approach of a person that can't debate like an intelligent human being.
    It's a fair enough thing to ask considering the fact that you are a Muslim and you feel that you are persecuted here, why not leave?
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    (Original post by 2026)
    That's rich coming from you. You've completely exaggerated the perception of Muslims in the UK. Very much a victim mentality.
    I stated things that I have been through. Of course not everything is bad which is why I'm still here, my statement was a reply to people saying it is not a big deal.

    I will ignore your posts, pretz, as it is starting to go a little out of hand in your case.
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    (Original post by Don_Kamikaze)
    I stated things that I have been through. Of course not everything is bad which is why I'm still here, my statement was a reply to people saying it is not a big deal.

    I will ignore your posts, pretz, as it is starting to go a little out of hand in your case.
    Don Kamikaze, how can the UK become more tolerant and like Al-Andalus?

    Do we need to organise a militia and go lynch Muslims? Or what? Let us know man, just trying to make you feel at home.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre

    On December 30, 1066 (9 Tevet 4827), a Muslim mob stormed the royal palace in Granada, which was at that time in al-Andalus, assassinated Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred most of the Jewish population of the city. "More than 1,500 Jewish families, numbering 4,000 persons, fell in one day."
    Is this the sort of thing we need to be doing..?
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    Sorry, forget everything - Allah sent me a txt msg and now I'm gonna convert

    La illaha ill Allah, Muhammadur Rasul Allah
    La illaha ill Allah, Muhammadur Rasul Allah
    La illaha ill Allah, Muhammadur Rasul Allah
    Ugh... have some respect.:mad:
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    (Original post by nafisa™)
    Ugh... have some respect.:mad:
    Oh get over yourself.
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    Oh get over yourself.
    is that picture actually moving or is it an illusion?
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    Pride, belief, passion, and more,
    things that this country used to stand for.
    But now our country’s gone down the pan,
    ’United we fall, and divided we stand’
    Letting in immigrants, fleeing for peace,
    but when they get here, all they do is fleece
    off of our government. While they sit on their arse,
    hard working people, pay for their cars,
    and their big houses, and anything else,
    they cant be arsed to work for, and pay for themselves.

    These are the views im not afraid to hide,
    you might call me racist, but i’ve just got pride.
    Pride for my country, and for my race,
    so i’ll stand up tall, and i’ll show my face.
    I want this country how it was before;
    standing by it’s morals, and clear cut laws.
    Still we sit here and watch it, and don’t make a fuss,
    Hard working people. People like us.
    And it’s these people who just want to shout:
    ’Come in and make a difference, or get the **** out!’
    So if you agree with what i’ve just wrote,
    stand up and be counted. Stand up and shout;
    Shout for your pride of this beautiful country,
    "Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori"




    Not my words, but I agree.
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    (Original post by nafisa™)
    Ugh... have some respect.:mad:
    I respect the rights of human beings, not pretend fairies in the sky and their old books.
 
 
 
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