What is the perception of Muslims in Britain?

And which verse is this?

24:31

I'd have to disagree with you. Almost every muslim in the west knows that the so called "Islamic" country is far from Islam. They are simply trying to make people respect their beliefs. If a person chooses not to play football with you then you don't go and tackle them, do you? :P The same applies to them, so they can't tackle you either. Then everyone is happy. Unless of course that person is a very good player and you wanted him to be in your team...

What were we talking about again?

This verse?

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands".

Well you can't make people respect belief and if you try it will just make them less respectful.

The difference here, my friend, is that you are using a bad translation.

It's not as much as respecting a belief as much as respecting a human right to have a belief.

That's ridiculous. Me mocking your belief does not prevent you from believing whatever you wish to believe.

Of course it doesn't, but it gives an impression that one is not welcome

and it goes against living in harmony, doesn't it?

As for the translation, I believe I can tell if it's a bad translation if I speak the language, don't you think? Plus name me a few accredited scholars that say it is not compulsory. Another point is that is is mentioned in the Hadith too...

This verse?

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands".

So? You expect me to curtail my freedom of speech and expression just so that 'it gives an impression that one is not welcome'? You ask too much!

Also, I suspect 'god' or whatever it is you believe will not be very happy if your belief in Him and the Kuran (which you believe is his 'book') depended upon a cosy, comfortable environment. What happened to true belief? The type of belief where even if an enemy holds a sword to your throat and demands that you repent your religious views you stick by your belief no matter what. If we're to believe what you say, Don_Kamikaze, Muslims must be leaving their religion in droves because of a few cartoons. Pfft.

Actually it does not go against harmonious living. If you force someone to respect your beliefs, you will only create resentment and hatred.

Do you speak the Arabic spoken during the 7th century? I suspect not.

As for an accredited scholar who believe that it's not compulsory, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi is an example. There are many others of course.

The veils already covered their hair but left skin around the neck and collar bone exposed. The verse commanded them to cover these remaining exposed areas.

See, as usual, it's always important to consider the context in which a verse is revealed, not just pluck things out and consider them in isolation.

Disagreement does not go against respect, and no one forced you to respect us.

You clearly know nothing of the Arabic language.

It's not as much as respecting a belief as much as respecting a human right to have a belief.

And you're clearly the expert. Look you're obviously quite dim, just do not quote my comments and go bother someone else.

Plus there is no point in debating with a person that knows nothing about the topic.

You have offended me deeply me with that comment. Please respect my beliefs and do not say such a thing about 2026.

Not another respect my beliefs person.

If I must walk on egg shells when I discuss Islam you're basically forcing me to show undue respect towards your belief.