This Tory campaign has been the most dishonest I've ever seen

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A fact-checker has found that an astounding 88% of Tory Facebook ads are misleading (none of the Labour ads checked during the same period were ruled as such).

This Tory campaign is the most dishonest I've ever seen. It's very clearly taking the lesson from Trump that if you say something loudly that enough people will remember the claim better than they remember whether it's been refuted or not.

A quick look back...

Fake fact-checker
During the first TV debate featuring Johnson and Corbyn, the official Tory Twitter account changed its name and logo to present itself as a neutral Fact Checker while attacking Corbyn's claims.

The Conservatives made out this wasn't a big deal, but It was condemned by Twitter HQ and was reported internationally.
https://time.com/5733786/conservativ...check-twitter/

Fake video
In November Keir Starmer was interviewed for Good Morning Britain and asked extensively about Labour's Brexit policy. The Tories shared a clip of the interview in which Piers Morgan asked Starmer "Why would the EU give you a good deal if they think you're going to campaign against it?"

Starmer was stunned into silence.

...except that didn't actually happen. He did answer the question. The moment of silence was edited in.

James Cleverly initially made out that the clip had merely been 'shortened' and was not misleading, but Rishi Sunak later claimed that it was done 'in jest' and apologised.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...very-different

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ter-apologises


Irish Sea
Johnson continues to insist that there will be no new customs checks on GB/NI trade in the Irish Sea, contradicting both leaked documents and his own Brexit Secretary.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9237816.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ked-government


Hospitals and Nurses
Manifesto pledges often involve a lot of spin and optimism, but there's a point at which it loses touch with the truth entirely.

The Conservatives are claiming that they are going to "build 40 new hospitals". Note "new hospitals". In fact there are plans only to upgrade six in the course of the next 5 years - the maximum length of the upcoming parliament. There are supposed to be more hospitals in the pipeline for the following 5 years but no one seems to know where exactly.
https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/

(I'm not even going to spell out the much-mocked 50,000 more nurses claim. I'm tired of the jokes to be honest.)

NHS leaflet
Then there was this NHS leaflet, warning voters not to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. Many people took a while to notice the acknowledgment that it was from CCHQ as it was hidden away.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9238226.html

Imaginary punch
Following disquiet at the PM's refusal to look at a picture of a child receiving treatment on the floor, Matt Hancock was dispatched to the hospital, but unfortunately an aide was subjected to an imaginary punch.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4309156.html
(There's also been an effort to argue that child's treatment didn't/needn't have happened like that despite the Chief Medical Officer of the hospital apologising for it happening. Not clear how much that's due to the Tories themselves and how much right wing 'journalists' relying on Twitter bots though.)

I suppose this is just what you get when a man who has built his career(s) on lying becomes PM.
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You can say that again! There’s just no reason for parties to be honest or conduct themselves with integrity any more. Everyone seems to be lying or twisting facts these days (the Lib Dem bar charts spring to mind!) but the conservatives have been particularly bad this election.
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Labour lies during the campaign:

500 million NHS drug cost.
They have documents that 'prove' the torries want to sell the NHS
They are a party that is for leaving/respecting the referendum
Their manifesto is fully costed (its not. and it doesn't include their 56bn waspi payout)
No one outside of the top 5% will pay more tax (already proven that they will)
etc. etc.

I'm not going to dispute your claims about the conservatives lying.. they have done. But so have labour, and we can argue about who has done it more.. I think that the policy lies are worse from labour because they are about much bigger financial stakes.. but I think the 'marketting/branding' lies from the torries have been far worse, the fact checking/video manipulation etc.

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I've posted on here before, but this is the election of half-truths. All parties (including the snp+libs) are using the same marketing trick. They release an exagerated version of a truth.. and then wheel it back after its called out. They do this because they know that the initial headline will reach far more people then the correction will do, so even though its dishonest the maths are in your favour.

The best examples of this are Labours 500mil NHS figure, and the torries claim that labour will cost us 1.2bn. Both are not true, and vast exagerations of any even remotly likely scenario. Both have been proven to be false and both parties have walked back on them somewhat. But it doesn't matter.. for every person who cares enough to watch all the coverage and read the artciles there are multiple people who just catch the big headlines, and who will still actually believe that the torries will cost the NHS 500 million a year.. or that Labour will spend 1.2bn. When all voters cast 1 equal vote, if you can trick 4 voters who don't really care that much, by only pissing off 2 that do.. your doing fine.
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(Original post by Trumbles)
A fact-checker has found that an astounding 88% of Tory Facebook ads are misleading (none of the Labour ads checked during the same period were ruled as such).

This Tory campaign is the most dishonest I've ever seen. It's very clearly taking the lesson from Trump that if you say something loudly that enough people will remember the claim better than they remember whether it's been refuted or not.

A quick look back...

Fake fact-checker
During the first TV debate featuring Johnson and Corbyn, the official Tory Twitter account changed its name and logo to present itself as a neutral Fact Checker while attacking Corbyn's claims.

The Conservatives made out this wasn't a big deal, but It was condemned by Twitter HQ and was reported internationally.
https://time.com/5733786/conservativ...check-twitter/

Fake video
In November Keir Starmer was interviewed for Good Morning Britain and asked extensively about Labour's Brexit policy. The Tories shared a clip of the interview in which Piers Morgan asked Starmer "Why would the EU give you a good deal if they think you're going to campaign against it?"

Starmer was stunned into silence.

...except that didn't actually happen. He did answer the question. The moment of silence was edited in.

James Cleverly initially made out that the clip had merely been 'shortened' and was not misleading, but Rishi Sunak later claimed that it was done 'in jest' and apologised.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...very-different

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ter-apologises


Irish Sea
Johnson continues to insist that there will be no new customs checks on GB/NI trade in the Irish Sea, contradicting both leaked documents and his own Brexit Secretary.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9237816.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ked-government


Hospitals and Nurses
Manifesto pledges often involve a lot of spin and optimism, but there's a point at which it loses touch with the truth entirely.

The Conservatives are claiming that they are going to "build 40 new hospitals". Note "new hospitals". In fact there are plans only to upgrade six in the course of the next 5 years - the maximum length of the upcoming parliament. There are supposed to be more hospitals in the pipeline for the following 5 years but no one seems to know where exactly.
https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/

(I'm not even going to spell out the much-mocked 50,000 more nurses claim. I'm tired of the jokes to be honest.)

NHS leaflet
Then there was this NHS leaflet, warning voters not to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. Many people took a while to notice the acknowledgment that it was from CCHQ as it was hidden away.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9238226.html

Imaginary punch
Following disquiet at the PM's refusal to look at a picture of a child receiving treatment on the floor, Matt Hancock was dispatched to the hospital, but unfortunately an aide was subjected to an imaginary punch.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4309156.html
(There's also been an effort to argue that child's treatment didn't/needn't have happened like that despite the Chief Medical Officer of the hospital apologising for it happening. Not clear how much that's due to the Tories themselves and how much right wing 'journalists' relying on Twitter bots though.)

I suppose this is just what you get when a man who has built his career(s) on lying becomes PM.
If you think the lies are all one sided and labour arguement are all honest you are seriously mistaken or maybe just a little blinded by political lust?

In fact, speaking as a former labour party member, it is the dishonestly in the labour party that's stopping me voting for them.
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If you think the lies are all one sided and labour arguement are all honest you are seriously mistaken or maybe just a little blinded by political lust?

In fact, speaking as a former labour party member, it is the dishonestly in the labour party that's stopping me voting for them.
So if trust is a primary issue I guess you won't be voting Tory either? Brexit won't be done next month. That is only the start.
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The whole campaign was a ****show from all sides. Everyone should be ashamed of themselves for their behaviour.
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The whole campaign was a ****show from all sides. Everyone should be ashamed of themselves for their behaviour.
I don't know if anyone else saw the Under 30s Question Time, but that perfectly illustrated this point. This election campaign has been a cluster**** from start to finish.
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I don't know if anyone else saw the Under 30s Question Time, but that perfectly illustrated this point. This election campaign has been a cluster**** from start to finish.
Yes, exactly right.
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So if trust is a primary issue I guess you won't be voting Tory either? Brexit won't be done next month. That is only the start.
Get brexit started would be a more truthful slogan. I've already stated that in the past. I never said the tories are not lying I said if you believe labour are not, you are seriously mistaken or maybe just a little blinded by political lust?

The same can be said for your illiberal undemocratic party
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Get brexit started would be a more truthful slogan. I've already stated that in the past. I never said the tories are not lying I said if you believe labour are not, you are seriously mistaken or maybe just a little blinded by political lust?

The same can be said for your illiberal undemocratic party
At least the lib dem position is clear. Tories are lying about a border between Britain and NI and the idea Brexit will be done and finished next month. Labour are promising what they will never be able to deliver.

I'm just sad the libs have sold out by saying they will have another referendum. So in a way they have let us all down too.

And why should remain voters not be represented? Surely it is undemocratic to deny people representation?
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I don't know if anyone else saw the Under 30s Question Time, but that perfectly illustrated this point. This election campaign has been a cluster**** from start to finish.
much as I get why people vote Tories, that audience was a shambles, 80% were the typical edgy conservative 20-somethings, "representative of students" my a** lol
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At least the lib dem position is clear. Tories are lying about a border between Britain and NI and the idea Brexit will be done and finished next month. Labour are promising what they will never be able to deliver.

I'm just sad the libs have sold out by saying they will have another referendum. So in a way they have let us all down too.

And why should remain voters not be represented? Surely it is undemocratic to deny people representation?
The liberals are lying too.

Nobody is denying anyone reputsentation.
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A fact-checker has found that an astounding 88% of Tory Facebook ads are misleading (none of the Labour ads checked during the same period were ruled as such).

This Tory campaign is the most dishonest I've ever seen. It's very clearly taking the lesson from Trump that if you say something loudly that enough people will remember the claim better than they remember whether it's been refuted or not.

A quick look back...

Fake fact-checker
During the first TV debate featuring Johnson and Corbyn, the official Tory Twitter account changed its name and logo to present itself as a neutral Fact Checker while attacking Corbyn's claims.

The Conservatives made out this wasn't a big deal, but It was condemned by Twitter HQ and was reported internationally.
https://time.com/5733786/conservativ...check-twitter/

Fake video
In November Keir Starmer was interviewed for Good Morning Britain and asked extensively about Labour's Brexit policy. The Tories shared a clip of the interview in which Piers Morgan asked Starmer "Why would the EU give you a good deal if they think you're going to campaign against it?"

Starmer was stunned into silence.

...except that didn't actually happen. He did answer the question. The moment of silence was edited in.

James Cleverly initially made out that the clip had merely been 'shortened' and was not misleading, but Rishi Sunak later claimed that it was done 'in jest' and apologised.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...very-different

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ter-apologises


Irish Sea
Johnson continues to insist that there will be no new customs checks on GB/NI trade in the Irish Sea, contradicting both leaked documents and his own Brexit Secretary.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9237816.html

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ked-government


Hospitals and Nurses
Manifesto pledges often involve a lot of spin and optimism, but there's a point at which it loses touch with the truth entirely.

The Conservatives are claiming that they are going to "build 40 new hospitals". Note "new hospitals". In fact there are plans only to upgrade six in the course of the next 5 years - the maximum length of the upcoming parliament. There are supposed to be more hospitals in the pipeline for the following 5 years but no one seems to know where exactly.
https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/

(I'm not even going to spell out the much-mocked 50,000 more nurses claim. I'm tired of the jokes to be honest.)

NHS leaflet
Then there was this NHS leaflet, warning voters not to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. Many people took a while to notice the acknowledgment that it was from CCHQ as it was hidden away.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9238226.html

Imaginary punch
Following disquiet at the PM's refusal to look at a picture of a child receiving treatment on the floor, Matt Hancock was dispatched to the hospital, but unfortunately an aide was subjected to an imaginary punch.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4309156.html
(There's also been an effort to argue that child's treatment didn't/needn't have happened like that despite the Chief Medical Officer of the hospital apologising for it happening. Not clear how much that's due to the Tories themselves and how much right wing 'journalists' relying on Twitter bots though.)

I suppose this is just what you get when a man who has built his career(s) on lying becomes PM.
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