Is Labour officially dead?

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Just thought I'd ask since our previous discussion - did you vote SNP? Forgive me if that's an intrusive question.
Yes I voted SNP, as I long suspected I would, I only got late jitters when I realised my local seat was a pretty narrow one (based on 2017). I did try and look at Labour with an open mind but just don't trust them for Scotland...I wasn't kidding about them sending me the stuff for the totally wrong constituency and candidate. slack arses.
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(Original post by StriderHort)
Yes I voted SNP, as I long suspected I would, I only got late jitters when I realised my local seat was a pretty narrow one (based on 2017). I did try and look at Labour with an open mind but just don't trust them for Scotland...I wasn't kidding about them sending me the stuff for the totally wrong constituency and candidate. slack arses.
Slack arses indeed I would have done the same as you - NS had a good night.
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the National Socialists were written off in 1945.... but they have come back again... never say never.
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Whatever they think they were peddling this election is dead. Time for a re-think.
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Labour isn't dead. There is a clear need for a strong and competent opposition party. How long it'll take Labour to sort out their internal problems and slot back into that role is anyone's guess - hopefully by the next election so the Tories can't walk it - but they'll no doubt get there as the other opposition parties are just far too small to realistically become opposition any time soon.
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I would vote for labour if i wasn't 15 and if we are old enough to have intimate relationships t 16 we should be able to vote at that age because people are making choices for the future generation without telling them and without them understanding what it means. Like if you agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's like saying 5-year-olds should vote because their mums determine what they are allowed to do and wear.
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A dire result for them, returning just over 200 lawmakers, can they bounce back in the next election ? I was shocked Boris won such a big majority really.
I believe Brexit was the key issue here. On such a big issue, you can't expect people to trust in a leader who is sitting on the fence. I was a Labour supporter, I voted for them in the 2017 election. I also voted for Brexit in 2016. I could not accept Labours plans for Brexit- at all. What Labour were offering was not Brexit, either remain or stay in the customs union and single market. No.

I don't think Labour is dead. After Brexit is done, I fully expect them to win a majority. I will be voting for them in the next general election, I just couldn't do so this time around.
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No.
They are still the official opposition party with over 200 seats.
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Oh I wasn't shocked Tory won to be honest!!! I knew they would hence why I voted for them!!! The UK has spoken and that's what matters now 😁
Never go against the will of the people
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The Labour Party is not dead, but it will need to take a new direction to avoid a result like this in the future, much like Tony Blair did with New Labour. This election shows that the British public rejects socialism.
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Labour isn't dead, but it will take some time to recover from this political defeat, to regain the trust from its' traditional working class heartlands.

I don't think it can function on the hard-left, in its current form (and I reluctantly say this as a leftie-socialist). I really liked Jeremy, but there were too many things that factored into this. Including Brexit, the divisions, between Leave and Remain, and a reluctancy from Corbyn to be decisive over Brexit.

Again, I say this with with a 'thorn in my throat' as I actually felt very strongly about Corbyn, but this landslide defeat has been a pretty big wake up call.

Even in all the differences and division Brexit has caused, I do still feel pretty shocked about the amount of areas in the North that voted Conservative. Especially in former Mining towns. I imagine it wasn't an easy decision for those voters, even if they hated/distrusted Corbyn.

I did feel a slight anger towards them, especially as a northerner myself, and a passionate Labour supporter. Many of those people will have had grandparents that would have 'turned in their grave' had they known of their vote for the blues.

They really must have had zero confidence in a Corbyn leadership.

I think Labour ultimately needs to move more to the centre (and I say this as someone that is Anti-Blairite).

For some reason, the country doesn't favour a hard left-socialist Labour, and history shows us that centrists tend to perform better. I.e. Blair, to a lesser extent Milliband.

For me, when casting my vote, I voted Labour, because I could just never vote Tory, irrespective of how I voted in the Eu referendum. My personal feelings towards the Tory's are that I just don't like a lot of their policies, and austerity that has been imposed on public services.

A lot of conservatives tend to slate those on benefits, as though they are work shy or don't want to work. This simply is not the case. Many people on benefits are in work, but don't earn enough to live without subsidising income with state help. Also, some people just fall on hard times, and need to claim, these people still suffer the same judgement as those that are 'genuinely lazy'. But not everyone is lazy.

Sadly, not every northerner, or working class person felt the same as me, about Tories. Otherwise things would be different.

Labour needs to put their heads together, come up with a plan, and build a stronger front bench, one that is capable of putting together more pragmatic policies, that keep the same values, that made some of them popular.

I don't mean the silly broadband policies, I mean the plans to scrap universal credit, and tackle poverty/homelessness. Those urgent topics that people care about - or at least those with a heart.

Just my two cents.
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You're right of course, but be nice, she's only 15.
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(Original post by DeesideEwan)
A dire result for them, returning just over 200 lawmakers, can they bounce back in the next election ? I was shocked Boris won such a big majority really.
Not dead but it will take a significant push to prevent us being in power the better part of ten years.

To win a majority you need about 130 seats which would be a performance since the war second only to Blair. Your only real hope is gaining a net 67 seats in which case you may be able to betray the union with the SNP and possibly Libs. Even that would be about the fifth largest gain since the war.

Looking at the Labour debate now the members still don't see that trying to rob their voters of Brexit and calling them too stupid to know what they were voting for was wrong and additionally the Corbyn cult seems to be rallying round the extreme left.

Right now it looks like your going to elect Corbyn in a skirt and don't really want a serious debate about power over purity so I'd say we are looking good for 10, possibly even 15 years.
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I would feel better if every single person who'd voted Tory actually did research, read the manifestos, compared them and made an informed decision but we all know that hasn't happened. Nothing worse than people voting in ignorance.
Can confirm I read both the Labour and Tory manifesto, easy choice.
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The manifestos are worth jack ****, as Jess Phillips confirmed in an interview just before the election, much to the chagrin of Labour volunteers who had it thrown in their faces on the doorsteps.
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Hopefully, yes.
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For some reason, the country doesn't favour a hard left-socialist Labour.
People aren't stupid. Life under hard left socialism is unremittingly horrible.
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