Nicola Sturgeon Tabling Independence Referendum Motion Within Scottish Parliament

Whilst it may demonstrate that the Scottish Parliament supports a referendum being held, it will be refused by the Westminster government. Much as I want Indyref 2, it will not happen whilst the Conservative (and Unionist) party is in power.

Ok say Sturgeon holds a referendum via motion of scottish parliament, and the poll suggests scots wanna leave - there will be national outrage if Boris doesn't properly address the issue

The UK parliament has to approve any referendum being held, and this will not be granted. Many Scottish people will be outraged I agree, but this will not change Mr Johnson's mind, nor the Scottish cabinet member Mr Gove.

Ok say Sturgeon holds a referendum via motion of scottish parliament, and the poll suggests scots wanna leave - there will be national outrage if Boris doesn't properly address the issue

She can pass as many motions as she wants. Without the express consent of the UK Parliament, she may as well be pissing into the wind. We'd just have a Catalan situation all over again, and we all know how that turned out when they held an unlawful referendum.

Boris has no incentive to grant it. RUK voters would be overwhelmingly against it, and since the Tories have frankly proven they don't need Scotland to achieve a huge majority, they won't exactly be interested in appealing to Scottish independence voters.

Part of the problem with the Scottish independence movement is that they've put all their votes into a party with practically no influence in the place it matters the most- Westminster.

Would the Scots vote to leave the UK though, the nationalist vote was still less than 50% in the election.

You seem to be ignoring the fact there is nothing stopping her holding one anyway. It might de jure not have any practical meaning as far as westminster is concerned but the fact of the matter is it would be next to impossible for London to ignore the results of said referendum if she decides to hold one. As i noted in a prior comment.

Not to mention there's the rather obvious fact which you demonstrated quite aptly in your comment that the Scots couldnt give a toss for the English being bolshy and trying to lord it over them. Especially as the English don't get a say as far as Scotland is concerned - with good reason as well.

Of course, there is nothing stopping her. There was nothing stopping the Catalan parliament holding its own referendum, either. However, a London government actually recognising the result of said referendum would be unlikely, especially considering- as previously mentioned- there is absolutely no political incentive for the government to do so. After all, which votes would they be losing if they didn't recognise it?

On the other hand, any government/prime minister responsible for the break up of the UK would be damned by the history books as well as potentially facing huge electoral punishment come the next vote.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last comment, especially as the Parliament of the UK is sovereign over Scotland and is dominated by English MPs- it would seem the English get quite a say about the future of Scotland after all.

45% before the rest of the UK decided to expressly tell Scotland to go **** itself... There's every chance the nationalists could squeak through a leave vote by a percentage point or two (which would be rather awkward for London given the Brexit numbers).

The fact of the matter is though that the Union is on shaky ground, as the last indyref showed with nearly half wanting out. England has done wonders for laying the ground work for actual independence for Scotland and whilst one is a unionist i can utterly sympathise with their position now, after all who wants to be a vassal state hmm?

I'm not sure you can really compare the Scottish and Catalan cases. However, as i said, London would be on very shaky ground denying 'the will of the people' if such a move came to pass. Never mind it would almost certainly expand support for independence exponentially.

Quite possibly. But given people have just elected one who doesnt give a rats ass for the wishes of Scotland and is the leader of an English nationalist party (irrespective of their name), well...

My point was more the everyday Englishman can say whatever they like about Scotland but they do not get a say in if it becomes independent or not. Unless you're rather keen to further ram home the truism that Scotland is little more than a colony?

At any rate i stand by the point. If the SNP pushed ahead with a referendum sans Londons blessing there would be little London could do about it. If they ignore it and effectively tell the Scots that their opinions are worth nothing how do you think that will go?