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I think over the next few years we are going to see a lot of these gimmicks and empty flexing.

Hopefully people will start to see through it.
I just hope in 5 years we have a FTA or two and the brexit divisions have been put to the history books.

Now I've rejoined labour and I'm more interested in labour actually pulling their head from their backsides and healing. My voice which will no doubt be drowned out and ignored but my voice will be screaming at labour to realign with the northern and Scottish traditional labour voter, we will be forever in opposition if contine to solely we focus on the london momentum movement.

I'm also secretly hoping the tories start being big headed tories when they are free of EU regulations. Let the public see the Tories for what they are.
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I just hope in 5 years we have a FTA or two and the brexit divisions have been put to the history books.

Now I've rejoined labour and I'm more interested in labour actually pulling their head from their backsides and healing. My voice which will no doubt be drowned out and ignored but my voice will be screaming at labour to realign with the northern and Scottish traditional labour voter, we will be forever in opposition if contine to solely we focus on the london momentum movement.

I'm also secretly hoping the tories start being big headed tories when they are free of EU regulations. Let the public see the Tories for what they are.
What do you think of starmer? Post Brexit would you vote for him? Or any leadership candidate?
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What do you think of starmer? Post Brexit would you vote for him? Or any leadership candidate?
Not a huge fan, I personally want a socialist the problem was not democratic socialism it was,

1) Labours brexit dishonesty
2) Labours lack of care for why scottish voters left them enmass
3) Corbyns inabilty to shake off smears

In that order I would vote for more or less any labour candidate post brexit, as long as they are not more right wing than johnson. Let's be honest that's not going to happen
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What do you think of starmer? Post Brexit would you vote for him? Or any leadership candidate?
A world where I'm not a labour voter is a stange world, labour f'd up they really did pull a special failure out, they genuinely believed the BS that their voters was remainers. There are litterally hundreds of me that will naturally fall back into the fold.

Labour will be back, but they need to address Scotland or we will forever be a protest party
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A world where I'm not a labour voter is a stange world, labour f'd up they really did pull a special failure out, they genuinely believed the BS that their voters was remainers. There are litterally hundreds of me that will naturally fall back into the fold.

Labour will be back, but they need to address Scotland or we will forever be a protest party
How do we address Scotland?
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How do we address Scotland?
Pass a law which forbids any part of the UK to hold a referendum on Independence. The Union must be preserved!
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How do we address Scotland?
Absolutely no idea, I simply cannot understand what's gone wrong but polical earthquakes of the magnitude of 2015, dont happen for nothing. We tried moving left, was positive in england and wales but made no difference in our heartlands of Scotland.

However just ignoring it isnt an option, that's what we have done. The perception in the north of England is Labour have became the party of london and the south and they have took them for granted. Lord knows what the Scots think, but they think something. Is it independence? Is it punishment for moving to the right?

Whatever it is we need to pull it from under the carpet and start talking about it.
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Pass a law which forbids any part of the UK to hold a referendum on Independence. The Union must be preserved!
Rather ironic for someone who wishes to get out of a union!
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But the MPs only had power in the last Parliament because they had the numbers to outvote the PM. Now they don't. Which makes the law pointless and just a political gimmick. Also, if somehow a huge number of Tory MPs decided to back an extension, then they would have the votes to repeal this law anyway.

Johnson would never ask for an extension anyway, and the MPs cannot force him to. In legal terms, it's worthless.
Seriously though have any of you watched the link I posted, the guy on there does go into the details of what has been done to help the brexit side of things.
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Absolutely no idea, I simply cannot understand what's gone wrong but polical earthquakes of the magnitude of 2015, dont happen for nothing. We tried moving left, was positive in england and wales but made no difference in our heartlands of Scotland.

However just ignoring it isnt an option, that's what we have done. The perception in the north of England is Labour have became the party of london and the south and they have took them for granted. Lord knows what the Scots think, but they think something. Is it independence? Is it punishment for moving to the right?

Whatever it is we need to pull it from under the carpet and start talking about it.
Scottish polling did show that about 40% of 2019 Scottish Labour voters had voted yes in the 2014 referendum (as opposed to almost nobody in the Tories and Libs) so it's actually harder than it even seems on the surface.

If your a Blairite in Scotland or a Unionist or a Brexit supporter or even remotely right wing you only really have the Tories to choose from now.

If your a remoaner, open to independence and of the left the SNP are a much more credible option.

Labour's box of Scottish voters in the long run is a very small minority of those who don't much care about the economy (because that's already covered by Con-Lib-SNP) but are unionists.

- Labour's best chance in Scotland is when the SNP are finally removed from Hollyrood (likely by a Con-Lib coalition at some point) because the SNP won't appear as credible but that may be some time away.
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How do we address Scotland?
See you Jimmy?
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Not had too much response to this on another thread so I'll try it here.
This is what's happened in simple, easy to understand terms, remainers you have lost and quite correctly the terms are now being set by the winning side.

https://youtu.be/JZJ9Q8i5XuE
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Seriously though have any of you watched the link I posted, the guy on there does go into the details of what has been done to help the brexit side of things.
I've just watched it. I don't know who 'Jeff Taylor' is, or whether he has any legal training. But his analysis seems to be missing the pretty big elephant in the room.

A Prime Minister with a big majority can pretty much pass anything they like, and there is next to nothing that Parliament can do to restrain him. Johnson is never going to ask for an extension anyway, and Parliament don't have the numbers to force him to. Passing a law to that effect doesn't add anything. Everything Jeff mentions is rather made redundant by the fact Parliament don't have the numbers anyway.

The difficulty for remainers in forcing Johnson's hand is not the law, it's the numbers in Parliament. If Parliament had the numbers to ask for an extension, they would also have the numbers to repeal the law.

Ultimately, as I said. This law is a political gimmick to allow Johnson to be seen to be flexing his muscles. Parliament could only do any of the things Jeff warns they might do, if they had the numbers to vote down Johnson. They don't.

It may be a politically savvy move in terms of playing to his base. And that's obviously the purpose behind it. But it's practical implications amount to very little.
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I've just watched it. I don't know who 'Jeff Taylor' is, or whether he has any legal training. But his analysis seems to be missing the pretty big elephant in the room.

A Prime Minister with a big majority can pretty much pass anything they like, and there is next to nothing that Parliament can do to restrain him. Johnson is never going to ask for an extension anyway, and Parliament don't have the numbers to force him to. Passing a law to that effect doesn't add anything. Everything Jeff mentions is rather made redundant by the fact Parliament don't have the numbers anyway.

The difficulty for remainers in forcing Johnson's hand is not the law, it's the numbers in Parliament. If Parliament had the numbers to ask for an extension, they would also have the numbers to repeal the law.

Ultimately, as I said. This law is a political gimmick to allow Johnson to be seen to be flexing his muscles. Parliament could only do any of the things Jeff warns they might do, if they had the numbers to vote down Johnson. They don't.

It may be a politically savvy move in terms of playing to his base. And that's obviously the purpose behind it. But it's practical implications amount to very little.
Apart from taking any form of control legally away from all other sources, there is now nothing that the likes of Gina Miller or Dominic Grieve can do in the courts.
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Apart from taking any form of control legally away from all other sources, there is now nothing that the likes of Gina Miller or Dominic Grieve can do in the courts.
There's nothing they could have done anyway though. What could they have done in the courts?

Over the next few years we are going to see a lot of this sort of stuff. Political gimmicks that contain little substance but appeal to the base. Trump has perfected it.
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MP's back Boris Johnson's brexit plan
Yet more Leaver Right-Wing misrepresentation.
359 MPs backed it. 286 MPs didn't back it.

What you meant was "Tory MPs back Tory PM's Brexit plan."
You're welcome.
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Interesting that the clause calling for workers rights to be strengthen has been removed. Smells of Tories left right and centre.
And the bit about not selling refugee children into slavery, or something.
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End of the day, remainer parliamentarians in the last parliament should of voted in May's deal as they claimed they wanted and was elected to do.
So you are a fan of appeasement. You would rather Britain had capitulated to the Nazis, than fought and lost. (Or handing over your lunch money to the school bully, if you want to avoid another farrago over Godwin's law).

Just in case that wasn't clear enough - you can't blame Brexit on people who tried to stop Brexit because they believe Brexit is wrong. The ONLY people responsible for Brexit are the politicians who proposed it and the people who voted for it.
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strong and stable Government is already working
"Strong and Stable" just means you smell badly of donkeys.
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Where do you stand on the exporting of fluorapatite for example?
Is that when you like eating toothpaste?
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The only thing it achieves is strengthens the negotiation hand of the UK and limits power if renainer parliamentarians who did so much harm in the previous parliament.
Ye gods!
You keep banging on about your precious Tory landslide, but don't understand what it means in practical terms.
I'll try and explain in words of one syllable...
Big Leave win in vote. No more bad Remain men stop Boris.
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