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Statement from the office of BosslyGaming MP

I would like to thank the Prime Minister for entrusting me with the foreign office, and also thank my predecessor for his work in the role. I hope to continue working closely with him in the new government. In this position, I will be working with the Prime Minister and other world leaders to promote peace and prosperity around the world - encouraging human rights and equality for all and making a world that works for the many, not the few. I will always ensure that we secure the best for British citizens - but I would also like to recognise our government’s requirement to provide aid, where possible, to citizens less fortunate than ours. We must always ensure that we do our part to support the rights of all around the world - and always encourage other nations to do the same.
This is all well and good, but what about those suffering in socialist/communist regimes around the world like Cambodia, Cuba and Venezuela?

Those countries have great levels of “equality” and follow the principle of “for the many not the few” so I assume you’re not going to take a stance against them?
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This is all well and good, but what about those suffering in socialist/communist regimes around the world like Cambodia, Cuba and Venezuela?

Those countries have great levels of “equality” and follow the principle of “for the many not the few” so I assume you’re not going to take a stance against them?
I stand for democratic socialism. As I mentioned, this government will encourage all nations to work for true equality - and I absolutely condemn those who do not offer the human rights which every person deserves. Nations in which those rights are not freely available cannot claim to have equality - not in the eyes of democratic socialism.
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I stand for democratic socialism. As I mentioned, this government will encourage all nations to work for true equality - and I absolutely condemn those who do not offer the human rights which every person deserves. Nations in which those rights are not freely available cannot claim to have equality - not in the eyes of democratic socialism.
What is true equality?
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I stand for democratic socialism. As I mentioned, this government will encourage all nations to work for true equality - and I absolutely condemn those who do not offer the human rights which every person deserves. Nations in which those rights are not freely available cannot claim to have equality - not in the eyes of democratic socialism.
I’m afraid that is not a sufficient answer, Hugo Chavez initially gained power in the 1998 Venezuelan Presidential Election under the premise of “democratic socialism” before using his new found power to abolish democracy and outlaw alternative parties.

As for your commitment to “human rights” - this is incredibly vague and doesn’t necessarily condemn regimes like that of Venezuela.

“Democratic socialism” in itself is an oxymoron, as Ayn Rand said, the difference between communism and democratic socialism is the distinction between murder and suicide.
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What is true equality?
A society in which everyone can coexist and expect mutual respect regardless of their personal qualities and traits, and where people can exercise their human rights and freedom of expression without fear of oppression.

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I’m afraid that is not a sufficient answer, Hugo Chavez initially gained power in the 1998 Venezuelan Presidential Election under the premise of “democratic socialism” before using his new found power to abolish democracy and outlaw alternative parties.

As for your commitment to “human rights” - this is incredibly vague and doesn’t necessarily condemn regimes like that of Venezuela.

“Democratic socialism” in itself is an oxymoron, as Ayn Rand said, the difference between communism and democratic socialism is the distinction between murder and suicide.
I don't believe it is our place to determine for another nation who their government can and cannot be or to call for anyone's removal until we have a plan in place on how to move forward without the nation plummeting into further crisis. That said, it is our right and our duty to encourage countries that do not offer civil liberties to all and human rights across the board. I want dialogue, not conflict. That is how we have to resolve this crisis - encourage dialogue and work towards free and fair elections and a country where freedom is available to all.
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A society in which everyone can coexist and expect mutual respect regardless of their personal qualities and traits, and where people can exercise their human rights and freedom of expression without fear of oppression.


I don't believe it is our place to determine for another nation who their government can and cannot be or to call for anyone's removal until we have a plan in place on how to move forward without the nation plummeting into further crisis. That said, it is our right and our duty to encourage countries that do not offer civil liberties to all and human rights across the board. I want dialogue, not conflict. That is how we have to resolve this crisis - encourage dialogue and work towards free and fair elections and a country where freedom is available to all.
Yeah, dialogue has worked incredibly well in the past hasn’t it?

* Except the attempts to stop Mussolini from gassing Africans during the Abyssinian crisis

** Oh, and that time we tried to appease Hitler to stop him invading people.

*** Oh yeah, and more recently, that time we told Saddam Hussein to stop oppressing Kuwaitis and to give them their country back.

**** Oh hang on... there was also that time that we told the people of Rwanda to stop committing genocide against the Tutsis.

***** Mustn’t forget that time we held dialogue with Jeremy Corbyn’s “honest socialist” and friend Slobodan Milosevic from murdering and displacing Kosovans and Bosnians en masse.
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Yeah, dialogue has worked incredibly well in the past hasn’t it?

* Except the attempts to stop Mussolini from gassing Africans during the Abyssinian crisis

** Oh, and that time we tried to appease Hitler to stop him invading people.

*** Oh yeah, and more recently, that time we told Saddam Hussein to stop oppressing Kuwaitis and to give them their country back.

**** Oh hang on... there was also that time that we told the people of Rwanda to stop committing genocide against the Tutsis.

***** Mustn’t forget that time we held dialogue with Jeremy Corbyn’s “honest socialist” and friend Slobodan Milosevic from murdering and displacing Kosovans and Bosnians en masse.
Worked just about as well as marching troops into Iraq and Libya - leaving behind further death and conflict......
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A society in which everyone can coexist and expect mutual respect regardless of their personal qualities and traits, and where people can exercise their human rights and freedom of expression without fear of oppression.
Does that include Article 17(1) which states “Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.”?
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Does that include Article 17(1) which states “Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.”?
Also consider the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, also Article 17(1), stating - "No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss."
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This is all well and good, but what about those suffering in socialist/communist regimes around the world like Cambodia, Cuba and Venezuela?

Those countries have great levels of “equality” and follow the principle of “for the many not the few” so I assume you’re not going to take a stance against them?
Laos, China, North Korea, and many of the former Soviet nations.
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Worked just about as well as marching troops into Iraq and Libya - leaving behind further death and conflict......
The difference is the rate of success. Military intervention has worked in the case of Israel, Kuwait, Germany, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc while dialogue hasn't worked practically anywhere.

My shadow foreign secretary has raised a very important point: what actual actions are you going to adopt against the regimes you condemn (which you haven't actually named)? Are you going to fight for global human rights by publishing some books of poems?

What will you do about India in Kashmir? What are your positions on Hong Kong and Taiwan? What do you think about the social policies and repressive laws in allies such as Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?

It's all well and good to say you will fight for this and that, but what will you actually do?

Which country will you visit first in office?
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Ahem, they have a whole 1 post on TSR, they are clearly well-known on the whole site.
I'm sure that's already infinitely more than what most of the real cabinet ministers have posted on TSR!!!
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This is all well and good, but what about those suffering in socialist/communist regimes around the world like Cambodia, Cuba and Venezuela?

Those countries have great levels of “equality” and follow the principle of “for the many not the few” so I assume you’re not going to take a stance against them?
Failed states like them should be condemned when there are obvious human rights violations. However the Labour Party is too weak to do so.
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Bailey14 Do you believe NHS England should provide PrEP as widely as the NHSs in Scotland and Wales do?
Yes. PrEP or not, I believe that everyone has the right to both free healthcare and free medication - people shouldn’t have to pay to get better.
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Failed states like them should be condemned when there are obvious human rights violations. However the Labour Party is too weak to do so.
The Labour Party could do well with someone like the right honourable member for West Kent and East Sussex in charge!

Instead they have decided to tie themselves at the hip to the demented europhile Liberal Democrats and have decided to ignore the common sense social and cultural policies that the working class desire. Hopefully it will come back to bite them.
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