Conservatives, how would you feel IF Boris sells our NHS? Watch

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Note that it states ‘IF’ the NHS is sold / privatised. Would your perception on the conservatives change? Would you change your political viewpoints? Etcetera.

Think of this as a theoretical question. Give your views below
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yes, it wouldn't be very conservative of the Conservative party to sell something that's been a way of life for almost a century and i'd probably stop voting
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Questions above

Note that it states ‘IF’ the NHS is sold / privatised. Would your perception on the conservatives change? Would you change your political viewpoints? Etcetera.

Think of this as a theoretical question. Give your views below
what do you mean specifically:

1) -Outsource some services for efficincy reasons, but its still free to use (and at point of service)? Cos this has been happening for decades, almost since the inception of NHS, and this makes to do for some healthcare operation.

2) -The abandanment of the NHS ie we start paying for insurance with a lower level care provided to those who cant afford anything ie a US type system or system similar to Greece/Spain etc.? This is not happening, don't want it to, and the fear factor of this was just part of the Corbynista propaganda.

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Something that wont happen but I would in favour of is an excess charge of say £100 for 1 off visits to GP or A&E that will be refunded as long as your need is legitimate, why? because the NHS is abused and i think a small fee like this would put off the *******s who screw the system. (yes obviously for super low savings families you would need to put something in place to ensure someone who needs there last £100 in the account on any given day has it, im sure they can find a system for this). Also this would not exist for patients who require regular treatment or have a required visit, such as surgery or any other nominal non-random visit.
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They wouldn't care. They won Brexit and kept Corbyn out. That's all that matters.
Dismantle the NHS, establish a quasi-dictatorship, break up the UK, abolish the state pension and other benefits? "Not interested. We won!"
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Do you mean a state-run insurance scheme (like Belgium and the Continent) or third-party insurance (like America)?
I'd support the first one, given that some of my family is from a country where you have to pay for some health services*, but wouldn't want the second one.

*Finland
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establish a quasi-dictatorship
Boris isn't going to become Adolf Hitler. If you're looking for a Nazi, you could go further than Jeremy Corbyn and his mates in the National Socialist British Workers' Party (formerly Labour)
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Note that it states ‘IF’ the NHS is sold / privatised. Would your perception on the conservatives change? Would you change your political viewpoints? Etcetera.

Think of this as a theoretical question. Give your views below
What do you mean IF? Much of it already has been privatised. Sexual clinics, cateracts, hip replacement and most General Practices are all private entities skimming off lucrative profits.

There was a whole trust in the East Midlands that was privatised. In typical fashion companies put in their bids based on an estimation of care provided. In typical bidding fashion, the lowest bid won and in typical fashion the amount of care estimated was vastly under the reality. As a result, within the first winter, the care provider pulled out and handed everything back to the state.
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Boris isn't going to become Adolf Hitler.
Which is why I said "quasi-dictatorship".

If you're looking for a Nazi, you could go further than Jeremy Corbyn and his mates in the National Socialist British Workers' Party (formerly Labour)
Good one.
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As a result, within the first winter, the care provider pulled out and handed everything back to the state.
Presumably with a nice return for investors?
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I voted Conservative and am an NHS doctor.

I'm not really sure what "selling the NHS" actually means.

I personally believe the NHS is a relatively poor quality healthcare system, but changing it would be political suicide, so I don't think there is really any chance of it changing significantly.
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I imagine surprise would be the initial emotion, given that it would be the first time a piece of hilariously, obviously false Labour party propaganda had managed to not only morph itself into reality, but also become part of government policy and fundamentally change the fabric of many peoples lives.

Followed by curiosity, with subsequent emotions depending on what the outcome was.
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I'm a conservative and I'd be happy with the NHS being privatised. It's not a case of efficiency for me, considering that statistics show that public healthcare and privatised healthcare is roughly the same in efficiency, but more a case of morality for me. I don't believe that other people should be forced - by the government - to fund my healthcare or anyone else's. Healthcare makes more sense to me as a commodity rather than a right, so to speak.
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Presumably with a nice return for investors?
Of course. Virgin Care has a contract with the NHS worth around £2 billion! Should help Branson redecorate his private island and perhaps a new jet?
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Questions above

Note that it states ‘IF’ the NHS is sold / privatised. Would your perception on the conservatives change? Would you change your political viewpoints? Etcetera.

Think of this as a theoretical question. Give your views below
I’d feel like I was in an alternate universe was it will never happen
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Which is why I said "quasi-dictatorship".


Good one.
Go on and explain to me what a ”quasi dictatorship” is then.
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They wouldn't care. They won Brexit and kept Corbyn out. That's all that matters.
Dismantle the NHS, establish a quasi-dictatorship, break up the UK, abolish the state pension and other benefits? "Not interested. We won!"
There are elections every 5 years remember? If Bojo actually does that then Labour will get voted in and reverse all that.
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(Original post by dxnixl)
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Note that it states ‘IF’ the NHS is sold / privatised. Would your perception on the conservatives change? Would you change your political viewpoints? Etcetera.

Think of this as a theoretical question. Give your views below
If we moved to a US model where insurance is largely tied your employer (they select the insurance firm like yours picks your pension fund) and the system is generally poor and excludes some very ill people because its near completely private then i would think that they had gone mad and vote for the Liberal Democrats or even Labour to replace them.

If they moved to a private social insurance model with a state service remaining for the elderly, children and those with very severe ongoing illness like cancer ect.. then i would think that for once a government has looked at the evidence, concluded that most European health systems have superior health outcomes and be cautiously optimistic.
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I'm a conservative and I'd be happy with the NHS being privatised. It's not a case of efficiency for me, considering that statistics show that public healthcare and privatised healthcare is roughly the same in efficiency, but more a case of morality for me. I don't believe that other people should be forced - by the government - to fund my healthcare or anyone else's. Healthcare makes more sense to me as a commodity rather than a right, so to speak.
So people who can't afford healthcare, they just die do they?
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Go on and explain to me what a ”quasi dictatorship” is then.
Erm, the definition is in the words.
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There are elections every 5 years remember? If Bojo actually does that then Labour will get voted in and reverse all that.
Depends how the media treat whoever is leader of the opposition at the time. Remember that something like 80% of the UK media is owned by hard-right Tory supporters.
Also, given Johnson's planned changes to the way elections are held, the responsibility of the press, etc, even that might not be important. Wouldn't surprise me if the Tories were in for a decade or more.
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